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Re: Zoho is attracting the attention of African startup founders

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Zoho is a major player in the industry being direct competitor to small business. They are also bootstrapped.

> bootstraped i think they got a big injection when yahoo bought them, tried to dogfood in lieu of exchange, failed and sold for pennies back to the founders

I think you're confusing Zoho for Zimbra. Zoho was never bought and they intend to stay private. In fact, the co-founder is very vocal about it.

Re: Zoho is attracting the attention of African startup founders

#52

Zoho is a major player in the industry being direct competitor to small business. They are also bootstrapped.

> bootstraped i think they got a big injection when yahoo bought them, tried to dogfood in lieu of exchange, failed and sold for pennies back to the founders

I believe you have Zoho confused with another company. Zoho has never taken any outside investments and has always been bootstrapped. There are countless articles about Zoho being bootstrapped online as well as on Zoho’s web pages. Disclosure: I work for Zoho.

https://www.zoho.com/aboutus.html#:~:text=a%20private%20comp...

https://www.zoho.com/25/values-convictions/#:~:text=we've%20...

https://www.zoho.com/ourstory.html#:~:text=our%20decision%20...

https://x.com/svembu/status/1279622800303509504

Re: Zoho is attracting the attention of African startup founders

#53
Ok, but can Zoho offer things like HIPPA compliance or “EU only” hosting and services for data protection?

Kudos to businesses who can make use of this Zoho in a safe way but one would hate to expose one’s users to a company based in some strange dictatorship of a country.

Re: Zoho is attracting the attention of African startup founders

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post #3

> Zoho started allowing African companies to pay for its software in local currencies. This decision has been a major reason for Zoho’s success in Africa as it allowed customers and potential clients to avoid regulatory hurdles around dollar spending > Zoho has also been aggressive with its pricing in Africa. Zoho One, a bundle of more than 45 products This is a major reason why Western products aren't landing as wel…

I'm completely OK with American brands making Americans their primary target again.

US is tiny. Sure, economy is currently a multiplier, but less than 5% of world population lives in US.

If you are a bit smart and grok those numbers, you will leave such... non-smart opinions behind, or competition will steam roll you.

Or don't, rest of the world deserves some good economical growth too, much more than spoiled west TBH.

Re: Zoho is attracting the attention of African startup founders

#55

Zoho is a major player in the industry being direct competitor to small business. They are also bootstrapped.

> bootstraped i think they got a big injection when yahoo bought them, tried to dogfood in lieu of exchange, failed and sold for pennies back to the founders

I don't think that's Zoho. Yahoo acquired Zimbra.

Re: Zoho is attracting the attention of African startup founders

#56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No company ever pays a competitor. It's partially for financial reasons (why should I pay you to undermine my lead) as well as competitive (the competitor can extrapolate our own internal trends, and then potentially use it against us in competitive deals). This is why Walmart is famous for forcing every single one of it's vendors not use Amazon services in a Walmart related SKU (eg. If I'm selling a SaaS to Walmart,…

>No company ever pays a competitor. Didn't Apple use a bunch of Samsung components in the iPhone for years?

It was because they had no choice.

Samsung holds the patent and all the IP for OLED displays.

The moment a Samsung competitor is large enough, they move to them. For example, switching from Samsung foundaries to TSMC by 2018.

Re: Zoho is attracting the attention of African startup founders

#57

What may really blow their mind is that there are open source tools that cost even less. Zoho is a good choice though, their CRM was not the best but got the job done. Has a good API. Haven’t tried their other tools like docs or mail.

What are some of the open source/low cost email options that don’t have to deal with the headache of email deliverability, black list management etc.

I selfhosted mailcow (almost default setting) in a proxmox vm with ip from an internet provider for business. Never had problem with deliverability.

A few employees have problem syncing calendar to their phone or outlook but it's less than 1% users.

Re: Zoho is attracting the attention of African startup founders

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> Zoho started allowing African companies to pay for its software in local currencies. This decision has been a major reason for Zoho’s success in Africa as it allowed customers and potential clients to avoid regulatory hurdles around dollar spending > Zoho has also been aggressive with its pricing in Africa. Zoho One, a bundle of more than 45 products This is a major reason why Western products aren't landing as wel…

> If we become too insular, then we doom our larger economy to the same mistakes France, Germany, UK, and Japan made.

What are those? (Besides Japan’s which you’ve answered here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40143090)

Re: Zoho is attracting the attention of African startup founders

#59
post #53

Ok, but can Zoho offer things like HIPPA compliance or “EU only” hosting and services for data protection? Kudos to businesses who can make use of this Zoho in a safe way but one would hate to expose one’s users to a company based in some strange dictatorship of a country.

I think it took longer for you to write that post than to just do the search.

https://www.zoho.com/crm/hipaa/

https://www.zoho.com/gdpr.html

https://www.zoho.com/know-your-datacenter.html

On the flip side I have known of Zoho for at least a decade, they are not a new player..I never realized they were an Indian company.

Re: Zoho is attracting the attention of African startup founders

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post #58

> Zoho started allowing African companies to pay for its software in local currencies. This decision has been a major reason for Zoho’s success in Africa as it allowed customers and potential clients to avoid regulatory hurdles around dollar spending > Zoho has also been aggressive with its pricing in Africa. Zoho One, a bundle of more than 45 products This is a major reason why Western products aren't landing as wel…

> If we become too insular, then we doom our larger economy to the same mistakes France, Germany, UK, and Japan made. What are those? (Besides Japan’s which you’ve answered here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40143090 )

Actually Germany's and Japan car industry are more innovative than American one's (and much more sucessfull on the international level)
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