just heard the new talk show. it's just not the same. i liked the original dynamic more.
John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio
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Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio
#112I think this caught Dan by surprised. Dan got the Talk Show shirts made up and he seem pretty excited when he announced them during the last two minutes of episode 90. Gruber didn't seem to care at all. I'm sure Mule offered Gruber a lot of money to bring the podcast to them. Got to support the family right?
Please let us know how you are sure Mule offered any money let alone a lot.
Rant.
We can't know. Mule prices their sponsorships at 200$ (without TTS, lets see when this show is priced in). TTS at 5by5 was charging a lot much higher.
So I suspect Gruber was making less and less % of the 5by5 total income as other shows became more popular (hypercritical hit a million downloads when the Lion review, also Marco Arment's show was pretty popular judging by my twitter timeline) and also more and more shows.
When TTS came back more than two years ago it was a handful of podcasts on 5by5 making less money, but I suspect Gruber took the biggest chunk then. Now he didn't anymore and the overall quantity didn't increase enough, so he moved to new pastures where he will get more money and maybe more control of the show.
/Rant
Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio
#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd bet that's the core of it. Gruber probably thought he deserved more money, and Mule was willing to give it to him. The 5by5 hosts bring the lion's share of the value to the network, and I can't blame them if they want to get paid as such. It isn't screwing 5by5, per se, but perhaps a little scummy (as Gruber might write)? UPDATE: Other explanations I'd also bet on (might as well hedge, right?): (1) Gruber wanted…
Do Gruber, Arment et al. actually get paid for co-hosting such podcast shows? If so, how much can I geek celebrity expect in terms of USD? I had always assumed it was free and easy advertisement for their apps, sites etc.
They do. In an episode of the After Dark (called Pamphlet) Dan talks a lot about 5by5, the equipment he uses and various other things, including addressing questions about whether hosts get paid. He says, in short, that if you hear a sponsor on the show then the host is getting paid.
Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio
#114Also seems a bit odd that Dan announced another big show today. http://blog.5by5.tv/2012/5/18/coming-soon-big-week-with-dan-... Probably coincidental, but TTH was a tent pole show, and Big Week appears to be one as well. I also think that bringing in Dalrymple might have made 5by5 feel too crowded. To my knowledge, of the 5 or so major podcasts on 5by5, Talk Show was the only one hosted by a blogger. (Though I'm hesi…
Interestingly, the new show (Big Week) has a color scheme based on the Talk Show's.
Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio
#115People hate change. Worse, people hate surprising change. Mike is mostly mocking the people upset with this on Twitter, but if you enjoy a show made up of two people, people get annoyed when one party leaves with no explanation. Lots of people say "they don't OWE us an explanation". I disagree. People invested in 5by5 through buying shirts, buying the app, listening to ads and using their promo codes, and the time th…
How could Dan Benjamin be on it? The poor guy created a new set of 'talk show/5by5' t-shirts literally days ago (in time for WWDC) and was so happy about it...
Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio
#1165by5 seems like a lot more consistent network since it is run as a full time endeavor.
Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio
#117just heard the new talk show. it's just not the same. i liked the original dynamic more.
In all fairness, it's episode 1. Takes a while (10-15 episodes, in my limited podcasting experience) to find the groove.
Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio
#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hi there, I'm Dan, CEO of Black Pixel. I'd like to clear the air on this issue. The application and the source code in question belongs to Black Pixel. We designed and developed the application in-house, at our own expense, and were going to license the binary for free, non-exclusive use on the 5by5 network, but that deal didn't work out. Quite some time later, we got to know the folks at Mule Radio, and felt like th…
@dlpasco: You have never received a dime of money for your app. So did you donate your app to the Mule Radio Network? I had never heard of Black Pixel before. Now I know that you (or at least one of your developers) is rather of the lazy kind. Comm'on, renaming 5by5 to mule should have been a no-brainer!
Jim here, I work at Mule Design, host a show on Mule Radio and had the pleasure of working with the fine folks at Black Pixel on the app.
> I had never heard of Black Pixel before. Now I know that you (or at least one of your developers) is rather of the lazy kind.
You know what? It was a bug. Bugs happen. We actually discovered it a few days ago but, the app store being what it is, we couldn't get it swapped out in time. We have nothing but the highest confidence in Black Pixel and would jump at the opportunity to work with them again.
No one involved in this is being lazy and your insinuation is not only wrong and rude it's completely unnecessary.
Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio
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What are Mann's episodes about? I tried to listen a few times but I never fully understood what it was about and got confused... Could you give me a few pointers?!
This 5by5 drawing sums it up, http://goo.gl/6kXwj It's a good network overall, Merlin's show is mostly funny, he can touch on interesting topics about productivity, but mostly his character is very peculiar.
:) I can almost hear Siracusa saying that!
Who's the guy in the middle left?
(I think the discussion on this submission is one of the most intellectually-uninteresting HN discussions ever!)
Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio
#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wasn't there a sense of tension in like half of all episodes?
Hahah yeah. I thought it was just Gruber's personality. There were probably problems when Gruber slammed Readabliity as a scam while one of their investors is Jeffery Zeldman, another 5by5 host. He talked bad about it for a few episodes
Jeffery Zeldman gave Dan an interview on the latest episode of his show (#70, http://5by5.tv/bigwebshow/70 ), coincidence?