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Re: Hetzner GPU Server

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Post by chpatrick »

whizzter wrote: post #110
aborsy wrote: post #23

The price of a brand new Dell precision PC with a core i9 13900 CPU (24 cores), 64 GB RAM and 2X2TB NVMe is probably around 2.5k$. It costs tens of Euros per month in electricity to run this PC. The hardware is good to go for some 3 years, before running into various issues (newer CPUs becoming much more power efficient, firmware updates getting less and less frequent etc). Consider also the cost of components failur…

It seems a bit like car leasing, providers gets a bit of discounts for their volume purchases and customers pays a premium (that is still affordable) compared to just taking the entire deprecation cost themselves. The provider then still has something worth a fair bit of cash that can still generate income (through resale). So if you look at a 2 year horizon and want to keep cutting edge (or prefer operating expendit…

There's definitely a tradeoff when it comes to maintenance effort. You need to make sure your RAID and monitoring works and if a disk fails you need to message support to replace it. In general I've had a great experience with them.

Re: Hetzner GPU Server

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Post by whizzter »

gizmo wrote: post #96
hipadev23 wrote: post #81

Just make sure any workloads you place on Hetzner are treated as spot instances and outputs are immediately sent off network. The reliability of their systems and customer support is very low. Hetzner is a 5-star or 1-star company. Are you willing to risk your business on the flip of a coin? My own experience [2] was definitely a 1-star. [1] https://www.trustpilot.com/review/hetzner.com [2] https://news.ycombinator.c…

Reliability and customer support are unbelievably good. 99.995% uptime for the past 10 years. Hetzner will happily customize your servers however you like, and at their low prices you can have hot standbys for everything and still save money.

My friend went onto Hetzner for the performance/price, unfortunately the machines drive died within 2 months iirc. Seems like if you're buying on auction you'll get a wiped drive and if you're unlucky it's been written to a lot already, don't remember the specifics but he really wasn't a happy customer afterwards.

I think the last sentence you have there is pertient though, maybe don't go for Hetzner unless you can also afford to have a hot-spare (but for the performance/price you probably can compared to any public cloud). In my friends case he was boot-strapping but needed the CPU so he was really penny pinching.

Re: Hetzner GPU Server

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Post by dmaa »

It looks like a good value for money, but immediately after registering, I get this reply

"After reviewing your updated customer information, we have decided to deactivate your account because of some concerns we have regarding this information. Therefore, we have cancelled all your existing products and orders with us."

Someone has a similar experience? I've tried it twice, filled everything truthfuly, valid credit cards etc. and no still the same.

Re: Hetzner GPU Server

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Post by system2 »

ramesh31 wrote: post #69

Does every European tech company have some kind of committe that ensures their customer facing website looks like a decrepit ASP page from 2004? I mean what explains this? It's a billion dollar corporation and I am having serious reservations about whether I would even enter my credit card info on this site.

I see the same thing on HN posts. 1999 vibes everywhere.

Re: Hetzner GPU Server

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Post by nortonham »

chrisweekly wrote: post #109
brudgers wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn’t this imply that it’s better to rent than to buy? TANSTAAFL 1. Physical hardware is a useful abstraction. 2. At the end of a three year cycle, you can sell something you own. (This has associated costs of course). 3. Rents can go up. Terms and Conditions can change. Credit cards can expire or be cancelled. In other words, renting introduces a significant dependency. 4. You are your own most important customer.…

> TANSTAAFL "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch" (I had to look it up, figure I'll save someone else yhe trouble)

thanks, I had no idea what that meant either

Re: Hetzner GPU Server

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Post by CapeTheory »

cduzz wrote: post #108
Dalewyn wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>2. At the end of a three year cycle, you can sell something you own. (This has associated costs of course). This is huge and often overlooked or undervalued. Renting means you have nothing when the contract ends, buying means you have something for your money spent.

A 3 year depreciation cycle may be reasonable for some spaces but not others. I'm not going to lose sleep over not getting firmware updates; when they've got all the bugs on my stuff ironed out I don't want more firmware updates. I haven't done the spreadsheet work to identify the cross-over point for where old systems become uneconomical but when I've done it in the past for my heavily clustered workloads it's typic…

Do you happen to have a preferred source for these 3-year old off-lease servers?

Re: Hetzner GPU Server

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Post by stanislavb »

dmaa wrote: post #113

It looks like a good value for money, but immediately after registering, I get this reply "After reviewing your updated customer information, we have decided to deactivate your account because of some concerns we have regarding this information. Therefore, we have cancelled all your existing products and orders with us." Someone has a similar experience? I've tried it twice, filled everything truthfuly, valid credit…

I haven’t faced this issue myself, however, lots of people from India and some other countries have this experience.

I’d assume it’s something to do with collecting recurring CC payments from Indian cards. That’s inherently difficult.

Re: Hetzner GPU Server

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Post by dmaa »

stanislavb wrote: post #117
dmaa wrote: post #113

It looks like a good value for money, but immediately after registering, I get this reply "After reviewing your updated customer information, we have decided to deactivate your account because of some concerns we have regarding this information. Therefore, we have cancelled all your existing products and orders with us." Someone has a similar experience? I've tried it twice, filled everything truthfuly, valid credit…

I haven’t faced this issue myself, however, lots of people from India and some other countries have this experience. I’d assume it’s something to do with collecting recurring CC payments from Indian cards. That’s inherently difficult.

That would also be my guess, but I live in western Europe.
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