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After 34 years, someone beat Tetris [video]

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Re: After 34 years, someone beat Tetris [video]

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Post by shawnz »

Retr0id wrote: post #105
shawnz wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are LCDs with a refresh rate more than double 60Hz, so even with entire frames worth of latency they could still be faster than a 60Hz CRT

The CRT's electron beam gets to "write" the video data onto the phosphor in real-time, as the analog signal comes off the wire.

But only once every 60 Hz (for a 60 Hz display). So, if you have an LCD display with higher latency but also higher refresh rate, you could on average be spending less time waiting for new information.

Re: After 34 years, someone beat Tetris [video]

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

refulgentis wrote: post #56
xerox13ster wrote: post #38

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These are shown and explained in the video. tapping/hypertapping: what you do to your mouse trying to get your click speed above 10 CPS rolling: the same but tapping each finger on the bottom of the controller while pressing the buttons to feather tap the switch state extremely fast. like fiddling a mechanical keyboard key over the actuation point. The equivalent of putting sharpied electrical tape on your mouse and…

Gently teasing :) - I definitely got _more_ confused, these are interesting examples. > what you do to your mouse trying to get your click speed above 10 CPS. ?! > The equivalent of putting sharpied electrical tape on your mouse and rubbing it. ?!?

You’re trying to give a specific kind of input to a controller (l, r, a, b etc….) at a speed higher than the controller was designed to input

So if you can vibrate the controller on a way that your input rate increases it doesn’t matter how you make it do that

Re: After 34 years, someone beat Tetris [video]

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Post by floucky »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #24

The last couple of years in Tetris have been wild I grew up with Tetris and playing a traditional DAS [1] style and never was able to put the time into learning hypertapping. Once rolling came out a few years ago I totally abandoned trying to keep up. My highest score was almost a maxout on 29 Something you'll notice too is that the younger players are crushing the traditional players by changing the rules. So, NOBOD…

I didn't know he had died, it's really sad... I remember seeing some random Tetris videos on YouTube with him and the guy saying 'Boom Tetris'.

Re: After 34 years, someone beat Tetris [video]

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Post by brianpan »

jameshart wrote: post #96
crdrost wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quick glossary: DAS - "Delayed autoshift," the delay is between when you press the button and when the long keypress starts to register as multiple clicks, auto-shifting the piece to the sides. So this is kind of a software-based "convention" that everyone knows, you open your word processor, you press the down arrow, it goes "down" one line and then waits for a quarter-second and then starts going in a more fluid mo…

I must be missing something because it doesn’t seem like ‘DAS’ needs such a technical name. Isn’t it just ‘pushing the D pad the direction you want the piece to go, then letting go when it gets there’?

Well, considering Windows and MacOS have system settings to tune this (key repeat rate and key repeat delay), and considering the modern Tetris innovations are about how you can physically press a button faster, it doesn't seem that strange.

Re: After 34 years, someone beat Tetris [video]

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Post by tedunangst »

tiltowait wrote: post #95
sumeno wrote: post #53

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Because of the specifics of how this is done you actually can play past this point, but you have to intentionally dodge the crash and the conditions for the crash can be different per level. It is technically possible to go up through level 255 at which point it loops back to 0. It's been done through a tool assisted run (carefully doing inputs frame by frame rather than playing in real time)

In this case, he even intentionally intentionally triggered the crash. As cool an achievement this is, I struggle to call it "beating" the game, since players could still theoretically go much further. Given that the glitch is predictable and well-documented, I'd consider it to be yet another (and new) obstacle to overcome, not the end. This is therefore the first time someone's ever hit the obstacle, and the first t…

The game is man vs machine. The machine fills the space with blocks; the human clears space for the blocks. The machine wins when the human fails to make room for the next block. The human wins when the machine fails to deliver the next block.

Re: After 34 years, someone beat Tetris [video]

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Post by Retr0id »

shawnz wrote: post #111
Retr0id wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The CRT's electron beam gets to "write" the video data onto the phosphor in real-time, as the analog signal comes off the wire.

But only once every 60 Hz (for a 60 Hz display). So, if you have an LCD display with higher latency but also higher refresh rate, you could on average be spending less time waiting for new information.

We're talking about the NES here, the physical output is analog, and locked to ~60.whatever fps

Re: After 34 years, someone beat Tetris [video]

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Post by [deleted] »

whatshisface wrote: post #30
somenameforme wrote: post #6

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And mental, think about something like chess! In general it's just incredible how good we can become at anything. It's kind of interesting to think about in times long past where warfare was melee based and how there would have been similar outliers. Somebody who lucked into some good genetics, good diet, and good training would have been a mountain among men.

They must have been incredibly disappointed when they first encountered a well-disciplined line of mediocre pikemen!

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Re: After 34 years, someone beat Tetris [video]

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Post by QuiDortDine »

strunz wrote: post #58
jasoneckert wrote: post #12

I beat Tetris back in 2020 (although by a different means): https://jasoneckert.github.io/myblog/i-finally-beat-tetris/

Man I would change your font, that is super difficult to read as large blocks of text.

Indeed serif fonts are considered easier to read for big blocks of text. I would consider the font too thin as well.

Re: After 34 years, someone beat Tetris [video]

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Post by recursive »

jameshart wrote: post #96
crdrost wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quick glossary: DAS - "Delayed autoshift," the delay is between when you press the button and when the long keypress starts to register as multiple clicks, auto-shifting the piece to the sides. So this is kind of a software-based "convention" that everyone knows, you open your word processor, you press the down arrow, it goes "down" one line and then waits for a quarter-second and then starts going in a more fluid mo…

I must be missing something because it doesn’t seem like ‘DAS’ needs such a technical name. Isn’t it just ‘pushing the D pad the direction you want the piece to go, then letting go when it gets there’?

The selling point isn't being "technical". It's the 20x reduction in syllables.
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