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Re: EE is working with Qualcomm to add Wi-Fi 7 to consumer broadband hubs

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Post by stefan_ »

jeroenhd wrote: post #41
agloe_dreams wrote: post #9

What annoys me is this: I have a TMobile iPhone 15 Pro and three Erro Pro 6 units, all with wired backhaul. Over the wire, my fast.com results repeatedly reach ~1.2 Gigs. Over Wifi, from a foot away, my results are around 650Mbps. The local church recently had T-Mobile install a 5G antenna array around it. I'm about two blocks away. Over 5G, I get 1.4Gigs down, though my walls, through an entire house between us. But…

That sounds rather low, the Eero Pro 6 should support 4x4 MU-MIMO in the upper 5.8GHz band. You'll never get the advertised 2400mbps even on that band, but the 650mbps figure you state comes closer to the 2x2 rate of the lower 5.2GHz band. Maybe you need to check your APs' settings, because these numbers sound off. Edit: never mind, iPhones use 2x2 antennae. A little strange to not put in more in such a high-end devi…

To be fair, 2x2 is already a high standard as smartphones go..

Re: EE is working with Qualcomm to add Wi-Fi 7 to consumer broadband hubs

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Post by ls612 »

throw0101c wrote: post #57
TacticalCoder wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It was technically possible to wire up entire countries and continents for electricity and phone service, so I doubt there are any technical hurdles in doing the same with fibre. France is aiming at 100% fiber coverage. I spent some time in a very remote, very rural part of France, far from the closest village... And I had fiber to the home (2 Gbps down // 600 Mbps up).

> […] far from the closest village... And I had fiber to the home (2 Gbps down // 600 Mbps up). You were probably not surprised that the dwelling you were in had electricity. I think at some point having fibre should also be as unsurprising.

It took 40-50 years after the introduction of electricity in the late 1800s for electricity to reach that point of penetration.

Re: EE is working with Qualcomm to add Wi-Fi 7 to consumer broadband hubs

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Post by zbrozek »

throw0101a wrote: post #77
smeej wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interestingly, there are a lot of places near me in northern New England where I genuinely am surprised to find electricity (or plumbing, for that matter) in a house. Some places are just that hard to get to.

IMHO, if you can string a copper wire for power (and POTS) you can string a fibre. It's just a matter of us deciding to wire things up like was done in the 20th century.

We need to figure out how to get costs and permit times down if we want to build stuff again.

Re: EE is working with Qualcomm to add Wi-Fi 7 to consumer broadband hubs

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Post by randomdata »

throw0101c wrote: post #12

The home upgrade that most folks need is a symmetrical fibre optic of some kind, with open-access [1] and either municipal [2] or non-profit at OSI Layer 1/2, with competition at OSI Layer 3. I think at this point 100Mbps would be the minimum, with diminishing returns once you start getting above 1Gbps (but available with XG(S)-PON(G.98(0)7)/NG-PON2(G.989)/HSP(G.9804) and 802.3ca). It was technically possible to wire…

Meanwhile, out here in rural Canada, farms here now have two fibre lines running to them. About a decade ago the local (co-op) telco dropped fibre lines to all the farms. Then, the government decided that rural areas didn’t have internet access so they put up funding and now another ISP has used that to built another fibre network.

Re: EE is working with Qualcomm to add Wi-Fi 7 to consumer broadband hubs

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Post by nimish »

ksec wrote: post #109
aeadio wrote: post #73

This article is completely inept. I'm nowhere near an expert in WiFi tech, but having done a lot of in-office WiFi setups over the past several years, it's easy to see the differences in quality generation over generation. > Trouble is, the woes listed in the messaging are those that previous versions of services and wireless standards claimed to fix. If they didn't fix them, why should we believe this lot will? If t…

Unsurprising but also sadly, WiFi 7 is like 5G, misunderstood and judging from this HN thread, most are commenting it is useless. They dont want to understand it, they dont read the spec either. I am not sure when did HN start becoming like this. CPU, Wireless ( Wifi / 5G ), USB?, possibly every single hardware topic is the same.

Wifi 5 and 6 had several "waves" of half-baked, broken implementations of MU-MIMO and OFDMA with many consumer routers and such missing features. I'm not surprised people are skeptical.

Re: EE is working with Qualcomm to add Wi-Fi 7 to consumer broadband hubs

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Post by rstuart4133 »

aeadio wrote: post #73

This article is completely inept. I'm nowhere near an expert in WiFi tech, but having done a lot of in-office WiFi setups over the past several years, it's easy to see the differences in quality generation over generation. > Trouble is, the woes listed in the messaging are those that previous versions of services and wireless standards claimed to fix. If they didn't fix them, why should we believe this lot will? If t…

> it's easy to see the differences in quality generation over generation.

I don't think it said otherwise, in fact he acknowledged it

He is railing against the ISP imposing QoS on your network via WiFi. (How that happens is not clear - but the Qualcomm marketing he quotes seems to imply they will do it with WiFi 7.)

QoS which can be thought of the reverse of net neutrality and it's being done inside your home to boot. Handing over QoS inside your home to your ISP does sound scary. What happens next - they sell favoured access to your WiFi speeds to people like Google and Amazon?

Like you said he brings up all sorts of arguments, one being we have so much bandwidth now we don't need it. That one didn't make a lot of sense, given his favoured solution was to let the customers handle their own QoS (somehow).

To be honest it all sounded a bit far fetched to me. But back to your point - it wasn't a rail against WiFi 7.

Re: EE is working with Qualcomm to add Wi-Fi 7 to consumer broadband hubs

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Post by [deleted] »

pzo wrote: post #44
ilyt wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is only the case if you wanted to stream uncompressed data (which for drones is definitely not needed), so VR/AR maybe, anything else it would be a waste.

compressing big video frames (4k) takes time. If your application is latency critical (and drones moving at 100km/h is) and you are streaming at 120fps you have only 8ms for video frame processing. Sometimes you also want uncompressed data (lidar, depthmap) not for human but for machine computer vision / processing.

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Post by redox99 »

cesarb wrote: post #108
throw0101c wrote: post #12

The home upgrade that most folks need is a symmetrical fibre optic of some kind, with open-access [1] and either municipal [2] or non-profit at OSI Layer 1/2, with competition at OSI Layer 3. I think at this point 100Mbps would be the minimum, with diminishing returns once you start getting above 1Gbps (but available with XG(S)-PON(G.98(0)7)/NG-PON2(G.989)/HSP(G.9804) and 802.3ca). It was technically possible to wire…

> It was technically possible to wire up entire countries and continents for electricity and phone service, so I doubt there are any technical hurdles in doing the same with fibre. Wiring up some places for electricity is really hard . I live in a huge country (Brazil) with a sprawling integrated electricity network, but there are still over a hundred small localities (source: https://www.ons.org.br/AcervoDigitalDocu…

Nowadays shouldn't it be easy to install solar panels and megapacks, and operate independently from the grid?

Re: EE is working with Qualcomm to add Wi-Fi 7 to consumer broadband hubs

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Post by redox99 »

danaris wrote: post #17
pzo wrote: post #6

> Wi-Fi 6's comparable maximum rate is 9.6Gbps. There is no consumer problem of today, no domestic use case imaginable, where 50Gbps works where 10 will not. iphone has just 2x2 MIMO antena so even with WiFi 6 can get only max 2.4Gbps (1.2Gbps per antena - someone correct me if I'm wrong). And those are only max speed in labs in perfect conditions. So there is definitely use case for WiFi 7 in consumer devices e.g. V…

I'm honestly struggling to come up with a use case for a single iPhone to need more than 300 megabytes per second (2.4Gbps) of bandwidth at any given time. (Noting that 8K video, in fairly un-optimized scenarios, appears to need about 96Mbps—just 12 megabytes per second, or 4% of that "low" bandwidth.) What are you doing, streaming raw, uncompressed video from multiple sources to a single iPhone? If you've got that m…

Downloading big games (apple showcased Resident Evil village I believe)
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