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The Frustration Loop

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Re: The Frustration Loop

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Post by noAnswer »

Nevermark wrote: post #76

I came up with a simple way to eliminate spam in my email, without any third party filtering. I have my own domain name for email. My email box accepts anything that goes the domain. I.e. a catchall email account. However, I give a different email address to every site and service. I.e. sitea@mydomain.com, site2@mydomain.com This lets my email reliably get auto sorted by who its from. But I also use a consistent form…

I have a similar system. But I "register" the addresses in a .txt-File first. (sitename-random-number@mydomain) A catchall will flag every mail send to you as successfully delivered on the spammer site. So the spammer will send again and again, wasting your resources.

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Post by theknocker »

kareemm wrote: post #3

This reminds me of one of my former ESPN co-workers - Mike Davidson[1] - who founded of one of the first community news sites (Newsvine[2]) back in 2006. Newsvine had comments and upvotes and link submissions and posts - it was very reddit-esque except it was focused around the news. The team had to have a way to deal with spammers and trolls. They found the most effective way was to flag a user as a troll on the New…

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Re: The Frustration Loop

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Post by dgb23 »

pjc50 wrote: post #90
philihp wrote: post #87

I've never understood the appeal of guestbooks and commenting on Wordpress. Static HTML is a wonderful medium for getting your message out, do we need the validation of visitors commenting?

Nobody like talking into a void. Audience feedback is necessary for most people to bother continuing to do it.

Perhaps there are better methods for that, like email.

Another one is to require a paid subscription to comment. It’s a filter for low effort spam.

Re: The Frustration Loop

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Post by noAnswer »

jaggederest wrote: post #106
yowlingcat wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Leave noteworthy comments on other peoples videos, make noteworthy stitches of theirs. Embrace remix culture, essentially. It only seems like an intractable problem to non power users of social media.

What if those videos also receive no views? Serious question, I don't know how Tiktok works well enough to intuit.

Search for "zero views" on Youtube.

Re: The Frustration Loop

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Post by pxoe »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #61
tareqak wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would this work for something like Twitter/X when accounting for individuals serving the US government? Someone could be flagged as a troll on the backend for unrelated reasons, but now their experience in communicating with someone in government is delayed. I understand that a delay is not the same thing as a block, but I wonder if the damage to the user’s experience is sufficiently similar for a federal judge.

Twitter has been doing things worse than that for years. They seem to even have different levels of shadow banning. The practice is fundamentally malicious because innocent people get caught in it all the time. The two main problems both stem from the fact that they don't admit to doing it. The first is that you're posting interesting things but nobody ever sees it because you're shadow banned, and then what you shou…

idk if some of those things are "shadowbanning" per se but more like limiting reach and promotion.

there's the confusion (unaware or intentional) between 'getting actually shadowbanned, as in, your posts actually do not appear to anyone else but you' and 'not getting free promo, free algo boost, free views from the platform, if it either doesn't choose to promote you, or chooses to not promote you' (these two are subtle but different as well). 'not getting the extra boost from a platform' - or just really 'having a piece of content fare for what it is, just by itself'. these kinds of mixups lead to kinda inane takes like 'i'm not getting as many views -> the platform has shadowbanned me', which are particularly weird to actually see, as a post, that is very much up and visible (and not "shadowbanned").

there's almost a vague sense of entitlement to getting views, getting an audience from a platform, in bulk and for free, and for whatever it may be. when a platform really just may choose to not extraneously promote something. or have a more sophisticated way by which some piece of content 'bubbles up', as it gets engagement and moves up in ranks of reach and virality. or it may downrank something, which still isn't a "shadowban". but lo and behold, "shadowbanning" now has its meaning so diluted, you'll just get talking heads throwing it around, and very visibly so - almost as if they're unencumbered by it and just saying a buzzy word.

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Post by TheCapeGreek »

mc10 wrote: post #43
pavel_lishin wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Password managers typically only fill specified fields - username & password - and leave others alone.

Maybe I'm thinking specifically of 1Password which can store your previously-filled out form fields as well as autofill fields like address or credit card number.

If it can detect HTML input fields and what to put in them, I'm sure it can also determine if a field is hidden (either by hidden property or styling) and avoid it?

Re: The Frustration Loop

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Post by bunabhucan »

pjc50 wrote: post #96
tareqak wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, here is the thing: maybe a troll can use the idea that a comments on a government official's account is a public forum and demand that the third party remove the troll flag, or demand that the troll flag be ignored for government accounts. > U.S. District Judge Naomi Reice Buchwald in Manhattan ruled on May 23 that comments on the president's account, and those of other government officials, were public forums…

Surely the solution then is to block government officials from the platform. Bad for engagement but keeps your "no, really, this is a private forum" status. (Rather like how lots of non-US banks block US nationals from having an account even if they're resident in the bank's country, because of the paperwork overhead)

It's really useful for fast moving emergent stuff like wildfires where there is patchy information from multiple sources (some people report smoke, some fire etc.)

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Post by ricardobeat »

philihp wrote: post #87

I've never understood the appeal of guestbooks and commenting on Wordpress. Static HTML is a wonderful medium for getting your message out, do we need the validation of visitors commenting?

The internet used to be a place to interact with other humans. Would you rather send your content “into the void”? Who are you publishing for?

Re: The Frustration Loop

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Post by firewolf34 »

ksey3 wrote: post #58
kareemm wrote: post #3

This reminds me of one of my former ESPN co-workers - Mike Davidson[1] - who founded of one of the first community news sites (Newsvine[2]) back in 2006. Newsvine had comments and upvotes and link submissions and posts - it was very reddit-esque except it was focused around the news. The team had to have a way to deal with spammers and trolls. They found the most effective way was to flag a user as a troll on the New…

Spam and trolling even happens on a physical newspapers/radio/tv/books/magazines. Its just that you have to pay to do it. The rich/ceremonial/leisure classes have through out history been constantly spamming everyone with whatever shit occurs to their 3 inch brains, because they can afford to buy the largest amount of attention. To bad there is not enough attention for anything anymore cause production of content is…

What I want is a "content condensor" tool. Something OSS and mathematically pure that can just take all the signal, drop the noise, and run some NLP to "condense" the information for me to effectively wade through it. Yes, there's a lot of bullshit content now, but there's also a lot of valid content. To be proficient today, we need to be able to swim effectively through the sea.

What's screwed up right now is we are currently forced to rely on 3rd-parties to filter for us, and they do so often poorly by just dropping content that's not "popular" which results in biased sampling, or worse, they select based on some kind of profit motive. Why can't we own our own "social media algorithm" or something? Why do I have to spend so much time consuming? Give me the IV drip, and filter out the unhealthy portion, please. Ideally, I should be able to trust the filter, too.

Re: The Frustration Loop

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Post by khalilravanna »

willdr wrote: post #24
qingcharles wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is real humans getting snared. My TikTok account is shadowbanned (anything I post now gets zero views, and my LIVE gets zero viewers). And my Instagram account got permabanned because they said I was impersonating myself. This was worse because I lost the entire account. They even had me send a selfie of myself and the instant I submitted the image was when they did the permaban lol.

I don't mean to cause offense, but maybe you haven't built a following yet? I see plenty of Lives with 0 viewers.

I think at least initially TikTok would push traffic to new accounts. My first few videos got a bunch of likes/views even though I had 0 followers. And then I noticed it started to trickle down video after video even though (subjectively) the content remained largely the same. It’s a clever mechanism to increase stickiness for new users as well as detect early on if a new content producer has that Good Shit that will do mega views.
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