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Post by plagiarist »

blagie wrote: post #21
0xEF wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For those that want to follow, what are good online shopping alternatives? I find that most people I talk to are drawn to Amazon simply because Amazon has managed to set an expectation of fast deliver, often as little as same-day delivery in areas that have a warehouse nearby (like the one I live in). I make every effort to shop local, or find alternative places to order online, but one cannot argue the convenience A…

I recently switched to Walmart Plus. For me, on the whole, it's better: - Shipping times are faster than Amazon. I do consistently see same-day delivery, whereas Amazon almost never did, and had frequent delays (in my area) - Less of a problem with comingling / fakes - Returns work better. - So far, no broken / damaged packaging. Amazon would e.g. toss delicate items, a heavy bottle of detergent, and sharps in the sa…

Yeah, this one works okay for you, but I don't see someone making a switch from Amazon to Walmart if they're concerned about unions or ethics.

Re: Amazon training video on handling unionizing activity (2018) [video]

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Post by thunky »

halflings wrote: post #73
meigwilym wrote: post #22

> Our business model is built on speed, innovation, and customer obsession. Things not generally associated with unions. Unions are there to stop employers using their might to exploit their workers - sorry - associates. Unions and management have a valid stake in the company. No company, no workers, no profit.

Debatable. Unions can also be seen as there to benefit current union workers only. Milton Friedman is as libertarian as it gets, but he makes a good case about how unions only serve current employees, and have no incentive to see the business grow and serve & hire more people if it does not lead to higher wages for employees.

Not only that, it's also possible for current employees to get the short end of the stick after union negotiations, possibly leading to the end of their job after many years of employment.

Re: Amazon training video on handling unionizing activity (2018) [video]

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Post by mc32 »

halflings wrote: post #73
meigwilym wrote: post #22

> Our business model is built on speed, innovation, and customer obsession. Things not generally associated with unions. Unions are there to stop employers using their might to exploit their workers - sorry - associates. Unions and management have a valid stake in the company. No company, no workers, no profit.

Debatable. Unions can also be seen as there to benefit current union workers only. Milton Friedman is as libertarian as it gets, but he makes a good case about how unions only serve current employees, and have no incentive to see the business grow and serve & hire more people if it does not lead to higher wages for employees.

Sometimes unions will cut their nose to spite their face. In other words their demands may ultimately bring a company down (slowed innovation, resistance to change) but their directives are more immediate -higher wages, less work. These things are desirable for a worker but ultimately may doom the company. It’s not too different from not understanding balanced diets. Sure, some things taste better, are easier to prepare, but they may not be the best choice for long term health.

Unions in some other countries are less antagonistic )zero-sum)and more symbiotic (grow the pie).

Re: Amazon training video on handling unionizing activity (2018) [video]

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Post by ryukoposting »

kawsper wrote: post #52

If I was leaking that I'd be afraid of Amazon including steganography in the video or sound sources, they have the resources to do that to identify leaks.

Maybe there's some merit to old smartphones with bad camera/audio quality.

Re: Amazon training video on handling unionizing activity (2018) [video]

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Post by gadders »

hnbad wrote: post #87
runeks wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unions are there to take care of the interests of their members. This is undeniably good for their members, but I'd like to remind you that it's not always good for outsiders. For example, the union of California's prison guards (California Correctional Peace Officers Association) have helped lobby for the "three strikes" rule to get more people in prison: https://academic.oup.com/book/11009/chapter-abstract/1593367.…

Arguably prisons should not be privatized in the first place. There are problems associated with prison and police unions in general but this specific problem is largely a result of prison guards having a direct incentive to want more people in prison.

They'd still want that in public-sector prisons. They still need prisoners to stay employed.

Re: Amazon training video on handling unionizing activity (2018) [video]

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Post by gadders »

runeks wrote: post #78
meigwilym wrote: post #22

> Our business model is built on speed, innovation, and customer obsession. Things not generally associated with unions. Unions are there to stop employers using their might to exploit their workers - sorry - associates. Unions and management have a valid stake in the company. No company, no workers, no profit.

Unions are there to take care of the interests of their members. This is undeniably good for their members, but I'd like to remind you that it's not always good for outsiders. For example, the union of California's prison guards (California Correctional Peace Officers Association) have helped lobby for the "three strikes" rule to get more people in prison: https://academic.oup.com/book/11009/chapter-abstract/1593367.…

There is also a case to be made regarding the behaviour of teaching unions prioritising their members over the children they teach.

Re: Amazon training video on handling unionizing activity (2018) [video]

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Post by gadders »

halflings wrote: post #73
meigwilym wrote: post #22

> Our business model is built on speed, innovation, and customer obsession. Things not generally associated with unions. Unions are there to stop employers using their might to exploit their workers - sorry - associates. Unions and management have a valid stake in the company. No company, no workers, no profit.

Debatable. Unions can also be seen as there to benefit current union workers only. Milton Friedman is as libertarian as it gets, but he makes a good case about how unions only serve current employees, and have no incentive to see the business grow and serve & hire more people if it does not lead to higher wages for employees.

Probably not a term we should use anymore: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_practices but often the result of negotiations with unions.

Re: Amazon training video on handling unionizing activity (2018) [video]

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Post by GolfPopper »

kmlx wrote: post #26
meigwilym wrote: post #22

> Our business model is built on speed, innovation, and customer obsession. Things not generally associated with unions. Unions are there to stop employers using their might to exploit their workers - sorry - associates. Unions and management have a valid stake in the company. No company, no workers, no profit.

> Unions are there to stop employers using their might to exploit their workers in theory yes. in practice it gets murky.

Employers, particularly large employers, exploit there workers unless those workers unionize. That's not murky at all, it's quite well documented.

Re: Amazon training video on handling unionizing activity (2018) [video]

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

louwrentius wrote: post #44
kmlx wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Airbnb has been a negative influence on the housing market airbnb exposed the fact the societies are full of nimbys and politicians are useless. all while providing a good alternative to hotels. > Uber, well, do I even need to discuss that one? uber is amazing. it completely undercut the monopolies of the taxi companies. it provides an amazing service at a reasonable price. > our centuries old nemesis: Capitalism.…

You really should read the book I mentioned since you seem to have zero knowledge about the larger context.

If you've got something to say, you say it. I'm not going to go find, buy, and read a book to find out what your point is.

Re: Amazon training video on handling unionizing activity (2018) [video]

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Post by Ensorceled »

kmlx wrote: post #26
meigwilym wrote: post #22

> Our business model is built on speed, innovation, and customer obsession. Things not generally associated with unions. Unions are there to stop employers using their might to exploit their workers - sorry - associates. Unions and management have a valid stake in the company. No company, no workers, no profit.

> Unions are there to stop employers using their might to exploit their workers in theory yes. in practice it gets murky.

Do you have examples of murky? I can think of police and prison unions but those are a symptom of an entirely different set of problems and aren't really about "unions". Any others?
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