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Re: The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”

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Post by last_responder »

FormulatedEdits wrote: post #55
jimbob45 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

COVID was feared to mutate into something dangerous and that's why we took it so seriously. The Spanish Flu started out similarly innocuously and then turned into something terrible. That's what we were trying to (and succeeded at being able to) avoid.

Sorry, but that’s not the narrative that was all over the news at all. If that’s what the powers that be were thinking they didn’t tell us so!

Guess you were watching some right wing garbage. This was always talked about.

Re: The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”

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Post by stefs »

NickC25 wrote: post #69
zingababba wrote: post #21

Still suffering from this myself. I used to train for hours a day nearly every day (BJJ/Calisthenics/KettleBells.) Totally obliterated my exercise capacity after I got Covid twice, first time acute symptoms lasted for 6 weeks, second time was shorter at 3 weeks. Years later and I'm still not the same. It hit hard.

Me too. Wile I still push myself in the gym nearly every day, for some reason I'm just not as energetic as I used to be. I'm 33, and was in my 20s when COVID came around. I got vaxed quickly, and have gotten boosters since. I still caught COVID twice. Not fun. Still not the same though, although hitting 30 and beyond might have something to do with it too, as that's the "line" where athletes of all levels usually sta…

this is slightly offtopic for this thread, but:

if you're not an elite strength athlete, hitting 30 will not yet have overly negative effects. as an intermediate athlete you might still be able to improve well into your forties.

even elite strength athletes used to hit their peak well into their mid- to late thirties (weightlifting) or even fourties (powerlifting, strongman). same with endurance athletes (in both cases that's not completely true anymore, the best are getting younger and they peak earlier).

Re: The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”

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Post by japostoles »

zingababba wrote: post #21

Still suffering from this myself. I used to train for hours a day nearly every day (BJJ/Calisthenics/KettleBells.) Totally obliterated my exercise capacity after I got Covid twice, first time acute symptoms lasted for 6 weeks, second time was shorter at 3 weeks. Years later and I'm still not the same. It hit hard.

I don't want to keep spamming a link, but please see my above comment regarding an ingredient list that helped me quite a bit -- I feel like myself again.

Re: The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”

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Post by TacticalCoder »

nafix wrote: post #23

Hasn't there been lots of evidence in the past year suggesting that Covid was created in a lab? If we were to go down this path: 1. Covid created in a lab (not proven, but high enough probability to be considered a reasonable option): https://oversight.house.gov/release/covid-origins-hearing-wr... 2. If Covid was created in a lab, this de-facto means that Covid has potential as a biological weapon. I don't see how th…

> 1. Covid created in a lab

There's not lot of evidence of that. There's lots of evidence (including at first a massive coverup, with the help of complicit media -- media who now changed their tune) that it leaked from a lab.

If it leaked from a lab (which now many officials, including US officials, says is the most likely possibility: so now there's a >50% chance that it was a lab leak according to officials [0]), the other question that remains is: is it an unmodified sample that leaked or one on which GoF research had already been applied?

[0] which is quite funny because if you dared to say so when the outbreak happened, you were labelled a conspiracy theorist just as crazy as those believing the world is run by lizards taking human forms

Re: The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”

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Post by last_responder »

dsab wrote: post #87

I am sceptic to long covid since I dont believe in big pharma good intentions. Years have passed since one pharma company knowingly sold infected drugs to 3rd world countries [1], but the nature of human didn't change. Big companies are run by people with black triad personality traits and who are incredibly greedy [1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/may/23/aids.suzannego...

The idiots are leaking into HN

Re: The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”

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Post by Nanana909 »

cjbgkagh wrote: post #105
Nanana909 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For COVID to cause severe illness in a few % -- enough to kill in rare cases -- but to not cause permanent lung or heart or kidney damage etc. in some significant percent who got very sick is implausible, even incoherent with all other theories about how viral diseases cause disease. So then why do we never talk about long flu? Long meningitis? I don’t think people are in disbelief COVID can cause long term damage…

That’s not what LongCovid implies, that’s possibly referring to persistent spike proteins but that a separate thing. LongCovid specifically refers to post covid sequelae, as in not a chronic infection but the after effects from an acute infection. Viral impairments were called ME/CFS, the main difference now is that such a large number of people got it at one time which is making it more difficult to ignore.

99.999% of the population, including those who claim they have long COVID, do not know the words “persistent spike proteins” or “post COVID sequelae”.

Therefore I assert you are incorrect, “long COVID” implies a “long case of COVID”. Similar to how no one would interpret “long marriage” to mean the after-effects of marriage.

P.S. no I will not cite a source for the statistic nor will I cite one for the sky being blue.

Re: The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”

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Post by el_chapitan »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #31
zingababba wrote: post #21

Still suffering from this myself. I used to train for hours a day nearly every day (BJJ/Calisthenics/KettleBells.) Totally obliterated my exercise capacity after I got Covid twice, first time acute symptoms lasted for 6 weeks, second time was shorter at 3 weeks. Years later and I'm still not the same. It hit hard.

I'm in the same boat. My heart rate has never gone back to where it was and my breathing never returned to being fully "satiating". Gone through the gamut of medical tests and everything is "normal".

> My heart rate has never gone back to where it was and my breathing never returned to being fully "satiating". > Gone through the gamut of medical tests and everything is "normal".

This, 100% this; and it's a concept that's really hard to get across to people, even doctors.

I got to the point where I decided to start doing stuff again because it was the only way to get back. I'm in way better shape that previously since covid, but that "fully satiating breath" is still not coming.

Re: The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”

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Post by rjsw »

Nanana909 wrote: post #80
retrac wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I cannot comprehend a position of total long COVID denial, though I have encountered it online. Every virus you can think of that causes acute illness, can cause long term or even permanent damage. Sometimes rarely, sometimes often. Even the mildest common cold viruses, can, in very rare cases, be severe enough to cause pneumonia which causes scarring which leads to permanent loss of lung function. Hepatitis A is usu…

> For COVID to cause severe illness in a few % -- enough to kill in rare cases -- but to not cause permanent lung or heart or kidney damage etc. in some significant percent who got very sick is implausible, even incoherent with all other theories about how viral diseases cause disease. So then why do we never talk about long flu? Long meningitis? I don’t think people are in disbelief COVID can cause long term damage…

Maybe we should talk about long flu, you can have post-viral fatigue after it, the only difference with COVID is the duration.

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Post by dunefox »

treprinum wrote: post #92
LudwigNagasena wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What supplements have you been taking and what is your diet?

I switched to carnivore 100% for a month when I started improving. I was taking mitochondrial supplements like megadosing B1/B2/B3/Niagen/NMN, CoQ10 + PQQ, L-carnitine, R ALA, pterostilbene. I took 1000-2000mg bovine lactoferrin with up to 120mg iron bisglycinate and 25-50mg benadryl for nights. I mixed my own AXA1125 (BCAA, Glutamine, NAC and Arginine + vitamin C) and took about 50g a day of that. I took endothelial…

Would have been interesting if you had logged your biodata with an Oura ring, or so. I'm planning on doing something like this to get out of a kind of fatigue and sleep problems. I also have a rowing machine, incidentally.

Re: The burden of Long Covid “so large as to be unfathomable”

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Post by [deleted] »

NickC25 wrote: post #69
zingababba wrote: post #21

Still suffering from this myself. I used to train for hours a day nearly every day (BJJ/Calisthenics/KettleBells.) Totally obliterated my exercise capacity after I got Covid twice, first time acute symptoms lasted for 6 weeks, second time was shorter at 3 weeks. Years later and I'm still not the same. It hit hard.

Me too. Wile I still push myself in the gym nearly every day, for some reason I'm just not as energetic as I used to be. I'm 33, and was in my 20s when COVID came around. I got vaxed quickly, and have gotten boosters since. I still caught COVID twice. Not fun. Still not the same though, although hitting 30 and beyond might have something to do with it too, as that's the "line" where athletes of all levels usually sta…

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