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Re: Googling 'abortion clinic near me'? The top result often an anti-abortion clinic

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Post by growingkittens »

docandrew wrote: post #74
growingkittens wrote: post #18

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That's not the reality, though. Anti-choice entities pretend to be legitimate clinics to draw people in.

Don’t abortion clinics do the same thing? Planned Parenthood isn’t called Planned Unparenthood. The whole abortion industry is based on euphemisms like your use of “choice” to avoid describing what’s really taking place.

Abortion clinics allow people to choose when to be parents...plan it out, so to speak. Anti-choice entities actively lie in order to take this choice away.

Re: Googling 'abortion clinic near me'? The top result often an anti-abortion clinic

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Post by TheRealDunkirk »

afavour wrote: post #96
TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #88

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GP "got it in one." This is SEO 101. Just because you don't like how it worked out doesn't mean the system broke. It's working exactly as designed. More and more of us hate it, for ALL the reasons that it doesn't take us to exactly what WE think it ought to show us. Like having several ads at the top, and then the next several links leading us to YouTube videos asking us to "like and subscribe" for more source contro…

Nope. If these anti-abortion ads were honest about what they are I’d agree with you. But they aren’t, they’re deliberately portraying themselves as something they are not in order to ensnare their target market. Google makes value judgements about search results all the time. PageRank has always been a value judgement. Spam filtering is a value judgment. Any result, ad or not, portraying itself as something other tha…

What do you mean "nope?" You're implying that PageRank makes MORAL judgements about the content, and you know it doesn't. It CAN'T. All it can know are metrics like incoming links and traffic. You're using "value judgement" here in a completely wrong way. Your definition of "value" and Google's are very different. And, honestly, I'm flummoxed why this is so confusing.

Re: Googling 'abortion clinic near me'? The top result often an anti-abortion clinic

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Post by TheRealDunkirk »

Goronmon wrote: post #102
TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #82

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Boy, talk about the pot calling the kettle black. You twisting the definition of "healthcare" to only mean abortion is just as bad. "Healthcare" to a teen on the fence might mean EXACTLY looking for an agency that can help them deliver and give the baby up for adoption.

"Healthcare" to a teen on the fence might mean EXACTLY looking for an agency that can help them deliver and give the baby up for adoption. Are you arguing that clinics don't provide services that help women deliver babies or guide them through adoption? That's ridiculous. My two children are proof that doctors aren't going around fighting against women giving birth.

Are you arguing that search results for "how do I put my baby up for adoption" should lead to "abortion" clinics getting the top results, purely from either an English-language or PageRank metrics point of view?

Re: Googling 'abortion clinic near me'? The top result often an anti-abortion clinic

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Post by Timon3 »

swexbe wrote: post #104
Timon3 wrote: post #38

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You're trying to push your morality on everyone. It's fine if you consider abortion to be murder, but the majority doesn't. Google for anti-abortion stuff all you like! But don't make it show up on unrelated searches, if you don't also want the opposite to happen.

Please, I'm literally just saying it wasn't a good comparison.

But it's only not a good comparison from your point of view. From mine (and that of many others) it's perfectly apt.

Re: Googling 'abortion clinic near me'? The top result often an anti-abortion clinic

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Post by afavour »

TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #112
afavour wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope. If these anti-abortion ads were honest about what they are I’d agree with you. But they aren’t, they’re deliberately portraying themselves as something they are not in order to ensnare their target market. Google makes value judgements about search results all the time. PageRank has always been a value judgement. Spam filtering is a value judgment. Any result, ad or not, portraying itself as something other tha…

What do you mean "nope?" You're implying that PageRank makes MORAL judgements about the content, and you know it doesn't. It CAN'T. All it can know are metrics like incoming links and traffic. You're using "value judgement" here in a completely wrong way. Your definition of "value" and Google's are very different. And, honestly, I'm flummoxed why this is so confusing.

You're the one injecting morals into the debate. At no point am I making a moral argument.

I'm saying that PageRank is just one of many value judgements Google makes. Google is not impartial. Not all incoming links are equal, Google makes a value judgement about which domains are more valuable than others. Google also makes value judgements about what is and isn't spam, which includes results that try to game the system by appearing to be something they are not. This is the latter. These are anti-abortion activists attempting to look like abortion centers, something they are not.

If it helps you remove the moral angle here: let's say I place an ad against the search term "cars for sale" with an ad saying "great value cars available to buy here!" and when you click you end up on a page that sells bikes. Is that a good search result? No, it is not. Is that likely to satisfy a user searching for a car? No, it is not. By the rules Google themselves outline they would remove my ad:

> We don’t allow ads or destinations that deceive users by excluding relevant product information or providing misleading information about products, services, or businesses.

https://support.google.com/adspolicy/answer/6020955?hl=en

You're so focused on trying to push a contrarian view that you're losing sight of the fact that Google is a business, and it serves their business interests to give users relevant results.

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Post by throwawaywu »

lostgame wrote: post #108
john-radio wrote: post #92

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> Abortion is a complex and controversial issue. Your writing the words down does not make it so. It isn't particularly complex, and it isn't particularly controversial in the United States, even among Republicans; people want abortion rights and fringe groups want to deprive them of it. Edit: also, I can't believe you baited me into arguing about whether abortion should be allowed or not. Just in case you aren't act…

>> fringe groups want to deprive them of it I’d hardly call extremist right-wing Christians a ‘fringe group’, as much as I think most people wish they were... ‘Terrorist group’? Sure. Spot on. ‘Fringe’? Sadly not at all. Look at the ongoing trans genocide as another example as to how big and how powerful these truly hate-filled people are. EDIT: saw a disgusting uneducated dead comment below here saying it’s offensiv…

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Re: Googling 'abortion clinic near me'? The top result often an anti-abortion clinic

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Post by igetspam »

civilitty wrote: post #42
3pt14159 wrote: post #24

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1. When you say "desirable" here you're speaking relatively. Abortion isn't intrinsically something that the vast majority of women want, what they want is to not be pregnant for one reason or another. 2. Many, many people have middle-of-the-road opinions about abortion. Nudging them into carrying the human to term and giving it up for adoption isn't akin to selling fake services, it's more akin to organ donation.

Go to r/RegretfulParents and read about some of the stories of women who wanted abortions and were manipulated by these places at a vulnerable time in their life. It’s pretty horrifying. Most of these places won’t help a lick once the baby is actually born.

Yes. It's a pro-birth movement, not life. Life lasts a long time and that's expensive and "something she should have thought about before having kids" or some such gymnastics. These same folks will gladly spit on a child because their parents are poor or talk about it like it's some kind of lesson they deserve.

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Post by GloomyBoots »

HelloMcFly wrote: post #30
swexbe wrote: post #22

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False equivalence. Killing something and trying to stop someone from killing something is not the same.

Abortion is not killing, abortion is healthcare. Yes, I realize one's set of values will create disagreement on this, I'm not trying to build consensus here, but can't let such a statement about "killing" go uncommented on.

A fetus is a human organism (this is the consensus among biologists, including pro-choice ones). Induced abortion is killing. You can make arguments as to why this is justified, but that doesn’t change that it is taking a life.

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3211703

Re: Googling 'abortion clinic near me'? The top result often an anti-abortion clinic

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Post by xdennis »

afavour wrote: post #100
veave wrote: post #65

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I want to think that people who google abortion providers don't want their babies killed, they simply need help, one way or another

Fetuses, not babies. Let’s be accurate here.

The difference is immaterial in the third trimester[1] when it becomes viable and the only difference is whether it's outside or inside.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetus#/media/File:Prenatal_dev...

Re: Googling 'abortion clinic near me'? The top result often an anti-abortion clinic

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Post by afavour »

xdennis wrote: post #119
afavour wrote: post #100

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Fetuses, not babies. Let’s be accurate here.

The difference is immaterial in the third trimester[1] when it becomes viable and the only difference is whether it's outside or inside. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetus#/media/File:Prenatal_dev...

And that's complete goalpost shifting.

Third trimester abortions are extremely rare (less than 1%) and are overwhelmingly performed for medical reasons, not because of personal choice. There aren't tons of women carrying babies around in their bodies for six months then spontaneously deciding they don't want it after all, it's always been a disingenuous talking point.

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