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Re: Israel to destroy Palestinians' solar panels

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Post by berntb »

davidkatz wrote: post #56
lutorm wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The territories under question are not occupied, but disputed. Well, the UN security council, the UN general assembly, the US, the EU, and the International Court of Justice, among others, disagree with you there.

The term 'Occupied' is often used loosely, even in Israel itself. The version of 'Occupied' that I'd like to address means: Israel has no claim to any part of the West Bank, is hence illegally present in all parts of it, and should, by international law, withdraw. This version of 'Occupied' is not supported, as far as I know, by either the US, the EU or the UN security council. If you think it is, I'd be interested i…

I really mourn not seeing vote figures right now.

The previous comment was voted down while demonizing of a democracy with very different political parties are probably voted up...

Re: Israel to destroy Palestinians' solar panels

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Post by joska »

berntb wrote: post #106
ucee054 wrote: post #79

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M&S hawks Israeli produce: http://www.boycott-israel.co.uk/business-links/133-marks-and... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marks_%26_Spencer#cite_note-53 Unfortunately I can't refer you to a comprehensive information source on companies supporting Israel, but you might find more information by googling for "jews for boycotting israeli goods" or "boycott divestment sanctions" I did find references to several other compan…

Sigh... I flagged the article. Please keep stories like this off HN, it is bad enough with the language wars people. (I follow the Middle East conflict a bit, because it is informative to compare my Swedish media with BBC/NY Times. News items such as Pallywood or torture between Palestinian groups are literally censored.) The basic reason I started to care a bit is because I find it depressing when people hate and de…

But who can be against sollar power for hatefull terrorist? Shouldn't terrorist also safe the planet?

Re: Israel to destroy Palestinians' solar panels

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Post by ak39 »

meric wrote: post #83
lotharbot wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the guidelines [0], immediately after the aforementioned vague comment, pg gives some specific restrictions: "Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic." [0] http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

"If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic." I don't think they'd cover this on TV news.

:)

Re: Israel to destroy Palestinians' solar panels

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Post by ocdprogrammer »

rnrlrn wrote: post #98
Estragon wrote: post #45

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It surprises me that people are complaining this is irrelevant to HN. It fits well with the PG/HN narrative of technology decentralizing political power -- Israel is suppressing this technology because it doesn't want to give up its control of the electricity supply.

"Israel is suppressing this technology..." that statement exactly shows the problem with this post. this is a complex political problem that has nothing to do with the technology. in fact Israel has made huge investments in solar technology. you don't have to agree with Israeli politics. as an Israeli,I rarely do either, but this post is one in a long list of demonizing and biased posts that just make the situation w…

It seems Israel is oppressing it's own people, somehow like Syria. I wonder if the democratic armies of the west could overthrow the regime in Israel right after they finish with the Syrian one. The people in Palestine are killed while protesting for a long time now but nobody seemed to care. I guess this is a good opportunity to bring justice to the region. (BTW, there are some rumors that Israel builds some illegal atomic bombs too, one reason more)

Re: Israel to destroy Palestinians' solar panels

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Post by ak39 »

berntb wrote: post #109
batista wrote: post #41

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(1) Why do you think Israel should be obliged to supply electricity to a hostile territory Why do you think a newly found state (~65 years) has any right to claim the territory it occupies (except of the might makes right variety)? ruled by a government that explicitly states it's desire to destroy it [1] As opposed to a government that occupied the land from the previous inhabitants and has been steadily displacing…

>>do you think a newly found state (~65 years) has any right to claim the territory it occupies (except of the might makes right variety)? Please explain to me, what makes Israel worse than all the other area changes after the world wars? Let's look at Karelia. Do you think the Finns should start bombarding St Petersburg with rocket artillery? (And would you expect such a mild response from Russia as Israeli has show…

Please explain to me, what makes Israel worse than all the other area changes after the world wars?

Worse? Ok, I'll bite:

It may not make it "worse" (sic) but it still doesn't make it right.

Just because your form of abuse is not worse than others' does not make you right.

Re: Israel to destroy Palestinians' solar panels

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Post by gnosis »

drats wrote: post #14

This is totally irrelevant to HN and is one of the issues on the Internet most likely to start a flame war. Flagged. georgecmu you appear to have been around HN a good while, which surprises me as it's more than long enough to know this is totally inappropriate. Go to reddit.com/r/worldnews or one of the other relevant subreddits if you want to discuss this issue.

From the HN Guidelines[1]:

"Please don't submit comments complaining that a submission is inappropriate for the site. If you think something is spam or offtopic, flag it by going to its page and clicking on the "flag" link. (Not all users will see this; there is a karma threshold.) If you flag something, please don't also comment that you did."

[1] - http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Israel to destroy Palestinians' solar panels

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Post by cabalamat »

nyellin wrote: post #82
mark_l_watson wrote: post #78

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After years on HN, I am going to post my first negative response to someone's comment, yours! The Israeli government's actions in this and many other acts are completely immoral. Your 1) point may have some logical validity in general, but for the good of the Israeli and Palestinian people, the whole world needs to get behind slamming down on the actions of the Israeli government, which also I believe also will hurt…

Really? The world must unite to fight the possibly unethical enforcement of a sensible law in a country which has (for the most part, but with some exceptions outside of its jurisdiction) an excellent court system that has overturned similar decisions in the past? This is a controversial issue, which doesn't belong on HN, partly because people's strong opinions on Israel are often disproportionate to their overall in…

> This is a controversial issue, which doesn't belong on HN, partly because people's strong opinions on Israel are often disproportionate to their overall interest in human rights in the middle east.

I don't see how that could make it off-topic. Everyone one HN -- indeed, everyone -- knows more about some things than others, and has more interest in some things than others, so by your standards everythin g ought ot be off-topic for HN.

> People in this thread have a special self-righteous stick up their ass for Israel, but can't name the neighboring countries which executed or imprisoned gays, woman rights activists, and journalists or even tweeters last year.

That may be true of some sections of the general public. I suspect it is less true of HNers.

Re: Israel to destroy Palestinians' solar panels

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Post by ak39 »

Good post.

This is definitely on point and relevant to HN visitors. This, for at least two reasons:

1. You never innovate in a vacuum: Whether it's genetically modified crops, cancer treatment, AI, encryption or energy solutions, all innovation is subsumed under the greater agenda of existing power and political structures. If you innovate for people to use your innovation, you are forced to deal with the attendant moral implications. This story clearly demonstrates this scenario. Whether it's Israel as the morally shadowy character is not relevant.

2. Innovation in the the energy space will throw you into the political field so violently you will regret not sticking to developing your new "To-Do List" software like every other coward out there :) :

I feel strongly about the second point: energy related innovations and their implementations to better the lives of people should be protected much like water & food resources are (or ought to be).

Up-vote for sure.

Re: Israel to destroy Palestinians' solar panels

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Post by [deleted] »

csomar wrote: post #36

I flagged this post. It's not a problem to discuss politics, but it should have a value. Do the HN community want to discuss the Palestinian-Israeli conflict? Fine, submit an article about that. But submitting such an article will only trigger a flame-war. The content of the article is of the kind that triggers 'oh, ass-hole Israeli', and 'oh, Palestinians uses this to kill innocents'. These are details. Not the actu…

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