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Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by blooalien »

wahahah wrote: post #27
ctvo wrote: post #25

This sounded weak to me. Apple is making an integrated headset: their own lenses, processor, ..., down to the operating system. The Quest uses an Android based operating system and a lot of off the shelf components. We've seen this story before and it hasn't ended well for the folks in Mark's position. A personal device like these headsets needs to be delightful . It has to be responsive. It has to have the little to…

I really don't understand why nobody else has managed making decent touchpads. Is it not extremely high priority??

I've been really pleased by the touchpads on Valve's Steam Controller, but they don't sell the Steam Controller anymore. :(

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by pavlov »

whatever1 wrote: post #100

If Apple solved the blurry text problem of VR, then they have a huge advantage in the pro market. Every app developer will be working on Apple VR apps: dashboards, AR training material, whiteboarding etc

Fixing blurry text is simply a matter of throwing hardware at the problem though. The $3k+ Varjo headsets had solved it already with OLED screens and resolution close to the Apple Vision Pro. (You need a beefy PC to drive those headsets, so they are not self-contained.)

It’s not a long-term competitive advantage. The same thing happened with high-DPI displays. Apple had a momentary advantage with what they call “Retina” display on iPhone 4, but soon every Android vendor was also shipping high-DPI and a few years later it was in the low-end handsets. Today it would be weird to say: “I got an iPhone because the text looks so sharp!”

Similarly nothing stops Meta from using a high-DPI screen in Quest as soon as the OLEDs and computing power becomes cheap enough (or if they are masochists and want to try a $3k version of Quest Pro, I guess).

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by browningstreet »

smoldesu wrote: post #85
mrobins wrote: post #76

Pricing the headset at 7x the Quest seems like an Apple power move. Ordinarily if you’re 2nd or 3rd to a category you’d expect there to be pressure to price in the same ballpark. You want customers to compare but say the new product is worth spending a reasonable amount more than the old product because it has some bells and whistles. At $3500 Apple invites no comparison. They’re basically pretending Meta doesn’t exi…

On the flipside, it gives Meta a blueprint for disrupting the market. They're well-poised up to release a "Quest Pro Max" of sorts - keep the Quest form factor, but go all-in on eye tracking and screen tech. Price it at $3,000 and include a nice aluminum stand for kicks and giggles. The Hololens was a "power move" headset that had to repeatedly re-adjust its target market because the price was too high. Apple could e…

Apple filed 5000 patents. Meta can’t even figure out where the field is now.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by the_duke »

stouset wrote: post #95
makeitdouble wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We've seen this story before and it hasn't ended well for the folks in Mark's position. Is Microsoft today in a fundamentally problematic position ? Apple has the spotlight and a higher evaluation, but I'm not sure Google or Microsoft "haven't ended well". > A personal device like these headsets needs to be delightful. The number of people willing to pay for "delightful" is pretty small though. Even as today, the i…

> Is Microsoft today in a fundamentally problematic position ? I mean… pretty obviously yes? Windows is rotting on the vine, Azure is nowhere near the market share of other players, and while they still have a large installed base of users they’ve done nothing particularly noteworthy in like a decade at this point. If there’s anyone on the path to being the next IBM it’s them.

Other points aside, Azure is doing perfectly well, and is much bigger than Google Cloud.

Almost every large company is already a Microsoft customer, and MS does a great job upselling Azure to many of them.

(recent estimates are AWS ~33%, Azure 23%, GC 10%)

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by lajupechere »

veidr wrote: post #101

I use the Quest Pro right now, because my interest in spatial computing (I like Apple's new term so trying to use it, haha) is greater than my misgivings about Meta (even though those are significant). I will buy the Apple thing, too. There are a lot of interesting differences between them (obviously, the biggest one being the price, and deriving from that) but the one I find interesting is Apple's decision not to ha…

To be fair, the Apple stylus is considered an art and creative _accessory_, not the predominant way of interacting with the system.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by gsatic »

ctvo wrote: post #25

This sounded weak to me. Apple is making an integrated headset: their own lenses, processor, ..., down to the operating system. The Quest uses an Android based operating system and a lot of off the shelf components. We've seen this story before and it hasn't ended well for the folks in Mark's position. A personal device like these headsets needs to be delightful . It has to be responsive. It has to have the little to…

> We've seen this story before and it hasn't ended well for the folks in Mark's position.

I dont know man. Historically who has been in Mark's position with 10 Billion+ $$ to spend on any one thing?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by hedora »

emehex wrote: post #57
wahahah wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don't understand why nobody else has managed making decent touchpads. Is it not extremely high priority??

My guess would be... patents? (Apple's got all the good ones?)

Apple did manage to patent the pythagorean theorem (“pinch zoom” uses the hypotenuse of a right triangle as the zoom factor), but, from what I can tell, the bad windows touchpad thing is self-inflicted.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by wincy »

stouset wrote: post #95
makeitdouble wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We've seen this story before and it hasn't ended well for the folks in Mark's position. Is Microsoft today in a fundamentally problematic position ? Apple has the spotlight and a higher evaluation, but I'm not sure Google or Microsoft "haven't ended well". > A personal device like these headsets needs to be delightful. The number of people willing to pay for "delightful" is pretty small though. Even as today, the i…

> Is Microsoft today in a fundamentally problematic position ? I mean… pretty obviously yes? Windows is rotting on the vine, Azure is nowhere near the market share of other players, and while they still have a large installed base of users they’ve done nothing particularly noteworthy in like a decade at this point. If there’s anyone on the path to being the next IBM it’s them.

Azure has over twice the market share of Google’s Cloud platform and the second largest cloud provider? How is that a failure?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by nighthawk454 »

mrobins wrote: post #76

Pricing the headset at 7x the Quest seems like an Apple power move. Ordinarily if you’re 2nd or 3rd to a category you’d expect there to be pressure to price in the same ballpark. You want customers to compare but say the new product is worth spending a reasonable amount more than the old product because it has some bells and whistles. At $3500 Apple invites no comparison. They’re basically pretending Meta doesn’t exi…

Depends who they’re competing against. It’s the exact same price as a HoloLens 2
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