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Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by Jach »

Synaesthesia wrote: post #66
LightHugger wrote: post #60

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Ah yes, an addon whitelist. How very community friendly of Mozilla... And they wonder why their market share plummets the way it does, making such extremely user hostile decisions like that.

Playing devil's advocate here, don't they need to protect their users from nefarious add ons that could steal data?

Going down the path to eventually having no users is an interesting way to accomplish that.

But really, no, they don't. Put up enough disclaimers (this is the secret to compromising with security teams on usability) and let me do what I want at my own risk.

Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by fnimick »

Laaas wrote: post #107
xPaw wrote: post #82

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It really is bizzare, old Firefox used to support all addons, then they shipped a new version and only allowed like 10 addons, and to this day they don't allow any more. It's already been years. I know my addon works fine on mobile, but they provide no means of specifying that*. I tried to email them for it to become "recommended" but never heard back. The fact that they allow tampermonkey which allows any kind of sc…

Mozilla has been going down a bizarre path for a while. If only Brendan Eich could have stayed at Mozilla instead of getting excommunicated, then we'd have the best of Brave and Firefox. (What _really_ showed me Mozilla is going crazy is when they fired sunfishcode (IIRC) and the Servo team! Both were essential to their success. It makes little sense.)

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Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by pieter_mj »

pmontra wrote: post #34
Springtime wrote: post #7

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From what I've read Firefox for Android Nightly doesn't restrict which addons are allowed to be installed[1] but does require a really byzantine method to get them installed, by first creating a Mozilla account, creating a collection of addons, then using the collection URL to install them. It's unfortunate that both being able to install any addon and access about:config on mobile isn't just some checkbox away or at…

It's so byzantine that I was never able to make it work. I attempted twice, probably making the same mistake both times.

I was unable to access my addon collection when using underscores in the collection name, hth.

Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by jraph »

Laaas wrote: post #107
xPaw wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It really is bizzare, old Firefox used to support all addons, then they shipped a new version and only allowed like 10 addons, and to this day they don't allow any more. It's already been years. I know my addon works fine on mobile, but they provide no means of specifying that*. I tried to email them for it to become "recommended" but never heard back. The fact that they allow tampermonkey which allows any kind of sc…

Mozilla has been going down a bizarre path for a while. If only Brendan Eich could have stayed at Mozilla instead of getting excommunicated, then we'd have the best of Brave and Firefox. (What _really_ showed me Mozilla is going crazy is when they fired sunfishcode (IIRC) and the Servo team! Both were essential to their success. It makes little sense.)

> If only Brendan Eich could have stayed at Mozilla instead of getting excommunicated

Mozilla actually encouraged him to stay by giving him the role of CEO. He decided to step out.

> First, though, there's a matter that we should all be clear about: Brendan Eich was not fired. After his appointment, there was backlash from the Mozilla Community. He came under pressure to resign and he did. The Mozilla Board that appointed him knew about his donation; they did not "remove him because of his views." If that alone was the issue, they simply wouldn't have given him the job in the first place

https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2014/04/11/did-mozilla-ce...

I guess we could point out that the Mozilla Board should have seen this coming and not encouraged him to be the CEO, but they could also have been criticized for this.

> then we'd have the best of Brave and Firefox

I don't think so. Mozilla is tied to its agreement with Google and I believe they are limited in what they can do privacy wise. Unfortunately.

The Brave browser is mostly a fancy Chromium and you can achieve similar results by taking an ungoogled chromium and adding uBlock Origin to it. But you are better off installing uBlock Origin on Firefox [1]

[1] https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/uBlock-Origin-works-b...

Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by Manfred »

dkbrk wrote: post #110

I don't understand why Mozilla artificially limits what addons can be used on android. I've been using Tampermonkey on android for years, and it worked fine, just like other addons that don't happen to have yet been blessed so that users are granted the privilege of being able to choose to install them. For reference, to work around mozilla's artificial restrictions, you have to use nightly. Once you activate the deb…

It would be good if they explained this in their documentation. But I think you summed it up in your own message:

> […] you can either have a browser that doesn't catastrophically break every few updates; or you can have the freedom to install whatever addons you like […]

I think they don't want malicious and abandoned extensions to taint the Firefox experience. Users will only see "Firefox is broken" and not realize that it's caused by the extensions they installed.

Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by [deleted] »

Laaas wrote: post #107
xPaw wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It really is bizzare, old Firefox used to support all addons, then they shipped a new version and only allowed like 10 addons, and to this day they don't allow any more. It's already been years. I know my addon works fine on mobile, but they provide no means of specifying that*. I tried to email them for it to become "recommended" but never heard back. The fact that they allow tampermonkey which allows any kind of sc…

Mozilla has been going down a bizarre path for a while. If only Brendan Eich could have stayed at Mozilla instead of getting excommunicated, then we'd have the best of Brave and Firefox. (What _really_ showed me Mozilla is going crazy is when they fired sunfishcode (IIRC) and the Servo team! Both were essential to their success. It makes little sense.)

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Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by muxator »

mg wrote: post #18
sp332 wrote: post #15

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It's been sitting around a long time and I don't remember where I got it from. Thanks for the link though.

You're welcome. By the way, in Chrome on Android, you can't execute bookmarklets from the bookmark menu. You need to give the bookmarklet a name. Say "Upsize". Then when you are on the page where you want to increase the font size, type "up" in the url bar and click on "Upsize" in the suggestions. Might be the same in Firefox?

I tried this in firefox for android and it did not work. What gets opened instead is a google search for "javascript:(function()...".

Firefox used so be super useful on Android, but since its redesign almost all its customizability has been gone. So sad.

Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by jerryzh »

xPaw wrote: post #82
jraph wrote: post #19

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A big thing for me is that Tampermonkey is not open source. And yes, Firefox on Android has an allowlist of "known working good" extensions, the reason given being that Firefox for Android doesn't implement everything the Desktop version implements and IIUC, want to a avoid users blaming the browser when something breaks because of it.

It really is bizzare, old Firefox used to support all addons, then they shipped a new version and only allowed like 10 addons, and to this day they don't allow any more. It's already been years. I know my addon works fine on mobile, but they provide no means of specifying that*. I tried to email them for it to become "recommended" but never heard back. The fact that they allow tampermonkey which allows any kind of sc…

You can enable in about:config and install all plugin with Firefox Nightly

Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by MallocVoidstar »

klondike_klive wrote: post #103
drtgh wrote: post #97

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I remember that update, suddenly they disabled Cookie AutoDelete, what left me with a bad feeling. PS: Meanwhile I do not understand why is Ghostery included in that tinny allowed addons list (and now Tampermonkey).

Do you mean there's something wrong with Ghostery?

For a while Ghostery was owned by an ad company, and for a while Ghostery would add ads to browsers (IIRC). The first is no longer the case, not sure about the second.

Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by [deleted] »

jraph wrote: post #114
Laaas wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mozilla has been going down a bizarre path for a while. If only Brendan Eich could have stayed at Mozilla instead of getting excommunicated, then we'd have the best of Brave and Firefox. (What _really_ showed me Mozilla is going crazy is when they fired sunfishcode (IIRC) and the Servo team! Both were essential to their success. It makes little sense.)

> If only Brendan Eich could have stayed at Mozilla instead of getting excommunicated Mozilla actually encouraged him to stay by giving him the role of CEO. He decided to step out. > First, though, there's a matter that we should all be clear about: Brendan Eich was not fired. After his appointment, there was backlash from the Mozilla Community. He came under pressure to resign and he did. The Mozilla Board that appo…

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