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Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by NDizzle »

ilyt wrote: post #93
noirscape wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So it seems the actual reason for the suspension is that Automatic had a mod for the colony-sim game RimWorld that disables certain skin colors from appearing in the game. If you're not familiar, these sorts of mods are near universally made for racist dogwhistling; they're the "barely passable but not really" version of mods that would straight up whitewash non-white characters. The entire debacle started a couple o…

I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if some of them were made just to troll people, like the time where 4chan briefly made some morons think OK sign is some racist/white nationalist thing

Briefly? Still a thing.

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by smcl »

luckylion wrote: post #86
dsr_ wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using multiple parens around a name is derogatory code for "this person is Jewish". Context is important.

So (((disfigured feet))) in the linked prompt means the feet are Jewish, and it's not about increasing the term weight? Thanks, I learned something new today.

Well if there was a person called "disfigured feet" who was Jewish, and you always referred to their name in triple-parens (and for some reason you repeatedly tweeted a bunch of Jewish people, always with the triple-parens) then yes this would be an good indication that you were using it as an anti-semitic dogwhistle.

However the GP was careful to note that context is important here. I've no idea about term weights in these AI prompts, but you seem to so if varying levels of parenthesis is common to denote a weight then you can simply say so without the snark.

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by jeroenhd »

smcl wrote: post #71
Ekaros wrote: post #40

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Because no one should care. Just fully ignore them, do not engage with trolls or people whose politics you don't care about. Maybe we should instead ban those who call out this stuff or describe it in malicious ways...

GitHub will have removed this because they don't want to be seen hosting racist shit on their platform. They don't want that because as it turns out the vast majority of the population isn't on board with racism, so not doing so would empower their competitors, hurt their brand and affect their bottom line. It's the same with Disney (the "oh a black little mermaid!?" stuff) and all the other the other ultimately bana…

Github has the right to remove any account it wants because terms of service generally allow that kind of stuff without repercussions (though they need to explain why in certain legislations by law).

However, if Github is actively curating content, that means they're also responsible for the stuff they do leave up. The argument that a company isn't legally responsible for its users content relies heavily on the company having little control over said content.

This direct influence is what got the thepiratebay guys and the megaupload guys arrested, or at least what made the case persuable enough to put effort into it.

Id it's true that Github is actively removing account that post things they deem as racist, then I will judge Github on any older content on the platform not taken down. There is a lot of weird shit on Github that's apparently okay if a stupid mod for a video game is considered as a reason to refuse service to someone.

Companies are free to choose what they do and do not host, but that freedom is a double edged sword.

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by ImprobableTruth »

ceejayoz wrote: post #97
Mountain_Skies wrote: post #69

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Tech companies hate citing the actual TOS violations because if they did, people might follow them to the letter and then the tech company wouldn't have a justification to ban them. They love having a system where they can arbitrarily declare anything and anyone to be in violation of the terms of service and not have to back it up with an actual citation. Some on HN in that past have said this is ok because people wh…

I helped run a fairly large gaming forum for many years. You either have broad rules or ten thousand very specific ones no one can ever hope to understand. Most folks prefer the former.

How does this relate to not telling people which rule they violated?

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by PurpleRamen »

fhd2 wrote: post #18
kleiba wrote: post #8

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Yeah, someone should invent a version control system that does not rely on some central entity but is actually distributed.

I know you're joking, but what I suppose would need to happen is for someone to also come up with ways to do federated code discovery, search, browsing and ways to show off contributions. For issues and PRs there's mailing lists, but it seems the young uns are appalled by that, so maybe that too.

The problems are not discoverability, but servers. GitHub is mainly successful because they simply offer services for free, and maintain them well. Most other features they offer is just a bonus. Though, at this point the weight of their accumulated fame, features and repos is also a reason for continuation, as long as they behave well enough.

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by knewter »

ceejayoz wrote: post #88
gitfan86 wrote: post #74

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It is extremely common for programmers to use short names while coding. I use "const r" a lot instead of "const results". Do you think I'm doing that because I hate a group of people that are called a derogatory word that begins with r?

If it was the variable name for an array of famous autistic people, it might raise eyebrows, especially if coupled with other coincidences.

"I've inferred 90% of a word you didn't write. Verdict is you're racist."

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by KarlKode »

sshine wrote: post #89
dijit wrote: post #13

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[flagged]

Disclaimer: I don't understand the context; I'm simply commenting on https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1020158613093892256/1... : > [...] nsfw [...] on all fours [...] balls [...] penis between paws [...] He got banned for sex prompting? > [...] disfigured face, missing eyes, missing limbs [...] 2 toes, 3 toes [...] Okay, okay... maybe GitHub isn't the place for popularising gore porn generators, but... > [...]…

Did you miss that the child stuff is explicitly mentioned as negative prompt (which I assume is used to let the network know that you don't want those traits in the output image)?

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by noirscape »

ilyt wrote: post #93
noirscape wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So it seems the actual reason for the suspension is that Automatic had a mod for the colony-sim game RimWorld that disables certain skin colors from appearing in the game. If you're not familiar, these sorts of mods are near universally made for racist dogwhistling; they're the "barely passable but not really" version of mods that would straight up whitewash non-white characters. The entire debacle started a couple o…

I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if some of them were made just to troll people, like the time where 4chan briefly made some morons think OK sign is some racist/white nationalist thing

Well, y'know then Poe's Law[0] kicks in. Repeating racist dogwhistles but doing it "to own the libs" is y'know, still repeating racist dogwhistles. I can totally understand a company like GitHub for purely cynical money reasons not wanting to be affiliated with that sort of thing even if it's ironic (which, Poes Law, I have no reason to believe is the case with Automatic).

As for the OK sign thing; that was a case of "4chan sliced a bunch of older pictures together of Trump and his ilk making an OK-sign" (which yeah, it's a common hand gesture, wow). The kinda strange thing is that it resulted in a sort of self-perpetuating effect; you had in part the media falling for the prank, but at the same time, those very same Trump supporters started doing the OK-hand deliberately to indicate what political "team" they belonged on.

It fell out of favor with those Trump supporters after a bit (because y'know, it was just a trend and trends defined solely by "trolling the libs" don't tend to last; eventually "the libs" catch on and they need something new).

Basically doing something ironically can make the people whose behavior you're emulating think they're in good company. Unless you take it to straight up absurdist levels (no Nazi will ever use Springtime for Hitler as propaganda), that will always happen.

Stuff like being clear about it being made to mock (as with Poes Law, which suggests things like the /s sarcasm marker) or extreme absurdity (Springtime) helps avoid that.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by smcl »

Semaphor wrote: post #28
bongobingo1 wrote: post #24

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> Prior to its use as an antisemitic label or identifier, ((( screen name ))) had been used in online communities such as AOL to indicate that a user was "cyberhugging" the user with the specified screen name. Why are all the nice things ruined by bigots.

Just wait till you hear that some circles of the net think using pepe the frog is a racist dog whistle.

Like it or not, Pepe did get co-opted by a weird alt-right subculture, so while it later got reclaimed, for a while there was a good chance posting Pepe meant you were aligned with the alt-right or incel culture. There's an entire documentary on the artist behind it and what happened called "Feels Good Man" it's really quite good: https://www.feelsgoodmanfilm.com/
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