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Fears of ‘dead pool’ on Colorado River as drought threatens Hoover Dam water

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#111

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UBI has long-term challenges in that organizations will try everything they can to siphon off the money ("rent seeking") until they succeed. UBI needs to deal with this reality to succeed even in the medium term.

I've also never seen anyone address the high chance that post UBI the #1 issue for every politician will become "I will raise the UBI" and if they don't their opposition will. How will we deal with an ever increasing UBI and where will that every increasing source of money come from?

Because that same issue happens today with the current welfare problems.

People like to pretend it doesn't, but it does.

Re: Fears of ‘dead pool’ on Colorado River as drought threatens Hoover Dam water

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I'm struggling to believe that it's a "a huge portion" given that Saudi Arabia has less than 1/10th the population of the US. Still, the story you link to is an amazing self-own on the part of Arizona.

>So far, four California water districts have proposed to reduce water use by up to 400,000 acre-feet per year. That would amount to about 9% of the state’s total water allotment from the river through 2026. Even a 10% reduction in use due to Saudi exports would be higher than the current goal. It is considered a national security risk to export encryption to foreign countries, but it isn't a national security risk t…

At a gut emotional level this would be true

but trade is what has kept the world wars a bay. Start down the path of protectionism and what we see in Russia/UKR will seem like a nice day at the park

a Middle East-China-Russia vs US-EU-UK-AU-CAN would be the likely outcome, and not good for economic stability or national security

Re: Fears of ‘dead pool’ on Colorado River as drought threatens Hoover Dam water

#113

Federal lawmakers need to get over the history of water rights here. The system was built on assumptions that just don't hold (more water was apportioned than ever flows). You can give each state an amount and let them figure it out, or take all existing rights and re allocate them federally. But it needs to happen, and urgently. "But people will lose their income!" - Thats a symptom of requiring these people to work…

I agree with you.

"No single rain drop believes it is responsible for the flood."

Re: Fears of ‘dead pool’ on Colorado River as drought threatens Hoover Dam water

#114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

UBI has long-term challenges in that organizations will try everything they can to siphon off the money ("rent seeking") until they succeed. UBI needs to deal with this reality to succeed even in the medium term.

I've also never seen anyone address the high chance that post UBI the #1 issue for every politician will become "I will raise the UBI" and if they don't their opposition will. How will we deal with an ever increasing UBI and where will that every increasing source of money come from?

I don't get it; why would it be _more_ of a problem than with current tax & benefits systems? Politicians can already make the "increase $benefit"/"decrease $tax" their #1 policy.

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> But the thing with anarchism is, that there is not really a authorative definition accepted and in use .. Sure there is: anarchism (n.) "political doctrine advocating leaderlessness," 1640s; see anarchy + -ism. anarchy (n.) 1530s, "absence of government," from French anarchie or directly from Medieval Latin anarchia, from Greek anarkhia "lack of a leader, the state of people without a government" (in Athens, used o…

The joke was, that anarchists in general are not a big fan of authorative things, so you can cite all the definitions you want - there will be still lots of anarchists who will oppose that and have their own definition. And yes, they are contradictive, as for example some anarchists negate all authorithy all the time (at least in theory), while some are fine with voluntarily authority, with a grey area into unvolunta…

Some people oppose all 'hierarchies', and say that is anarchism, but it is clear those are different words, and good luck getting rid of hierarchies without mass genocide, unless that is the real purpose.

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> But the thing with anarchism is, that there is not really a authorative definition accepted and in use .. Sure there is: anarchism (n.) "political doctrine advocating leaderlessness," 1640s; see anarchy + -ism. anarchy (n.) 1530s, "absence of government," from French anarchie or directly from Medieval Latin anarchia, from Greek anarkhia "lack of a leader, the state of people without a government" (in Athens, used o…

I disagree with anarchists as much as the next guy, but a quick google gets a bunch of results that contradict your definitions. It seems that anarchism is, at best, very rarely defined in the way you provided.

Which is why I quoted the original meaning and root words. etymonline.com

Re: Fears of ‘dead pool’ on Colorado River as drought threatens Hoover Dam water

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I disagree with anarchists as much as the next guy, but a quick google gets a bunch of results that contradict your definitions. It seems that anarchism is, at best, very rarely defined in the way you provided.

Which is why I quoted the original meaning and root words. etymonline.com

Well no fair! I’m sure the original meaning of “earth” is “the thing at the center of the universe”, but we’ve moved on from that definition!

Re: Fears of ‘dead pool’ on Colorado River as drought threatens Hoover Dam water

#118

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Also, UBI is often the cheapest and most efficient way to prop people out of poverty and (surprised?) to support their ambitions in education, starting business etc.

UBI has long-term challenges in that organizations will try everything they can to siphon off the money ("rent seeking") until they succeed. UBI needs to deal with this reality to succeed even in the medium term.

Then tax those rents.

The fact that subsidies provided to improve affordability of rents generally increases those rent costs is long-recognised. Winston Churchill in 1906:

Some years ago in London there was a toll bar on a bridge across the Thames, and all the working people who lived on the south side of the river had to pay a daily toll of one penny for going and returning from their work. The spectacle of these poor people thus mulcted of so large a proportion of their earnings offended the public conscience, and agitation was set on foot, municipal authorities were roused, and at the cost of the taxpayers, the bridge was freed and the toll removed. All those people who used the bridge were saved sixpence a week, but within a very short time rents on the south side of the river were found to have risen about sixpence a week, or the amount of the toll which had been remitted!

https://www.landvaluetax.org/history/winston-churchill-said-...>

Providing a subsidy sounds appealing to economically-naive voters and is appealing to economically-sophisticated rentiers. Such policies are highly politically tractable (they have broad support) but economically nonsensical (they aggravate rather than solve the underlying problem).

Economically, the two dynamics in constant tension are the Iron Law of Wages (wages fall to, or below, subsistence level), and the Law of Rent (rents rise to consume all surplus value).

The solution is to address both:

- A UBI provides an income floor which serves as a credible BATNA (best alternative to negotiated agreement) for any individual, whether or not part of the work force. An employer must offer terms at least as attractive as leisure (or alternative, potentially noneconomic activity) to attract new hires.

- A tax on rents, with the classic case being a land tax, returns surplus value to the public sphere and motivates holders of rent-generating assets to apply those to their greatest economic value, rather than letting them sit idle. (I'd extend the rents past the traditional land, but it's a useful illustrative case.)

Both prongs can be extended. Government might step in as, say, both employer and housing supplier of last resort, as well as providing credits to businesses which are truly socially-beneficial but economically nonviable (the classic definition of a public good: education, healthcare, emergency services, child and elder care, etc.) permitting these to function under a regime of both UBI and rents taxes.

Earlier: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14793366>

Re: Fears of ‘dead pool’ on Colorado River as drought threatens Hoover Dam water

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I've also never seen anyone address the high chance that post UBI the #1 issue for every politician will become "I will raise the UBI" and if they don't their opposition will. How will we deal with an ever increasing UBI and where will that every increasing source of money come from?

Dmitri Orlov has remarked: Universal Basic Income leads to Universal Basic Outcome, which is poverty.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34029763>

Re: Fears of ‘dead pool’ on Colorado River as drought threatens Hoover Dam water

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Isn't that what Glen Canyon Dam exists for?

Nope, though it helps. On a flood year, the Colorado is pretty nuts.

What's the real impact of a downpour year (like the 1980s had) downstream of Glen canyon dam without the Hoover dam in place? It looks like Yuma is the only population center before you get to Mexico. Mexico historically gets basically 0 water from the river from what I understand.
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