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Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter

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Re: Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter

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No thanks. I'm done with Jack and I'm done with Elon. Mastodon is great and it's already starting to feel like home. Don't need anymore drama from these reckless people.

Why does this feel so forced and astroturfed on this site and yet has essentially no traction

That could be a hint to reflect on your thought process

Re: Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter

#112
post #7

No thanks. I'm done with Jack and I'm done with Elon. Mastodon is great and it's already starting to feel like home. Don't need anymore drama from these reckless people.

Interesting. So you're creating your bubble just because you don't want anyone challenging your opinions. Let's see how that goes a year from now.

What about me, who never used Twitter and wont use this either? Did I make a bubble because I don't want people to challenge my opinions? How many tweets do I need to read a day until I have sufficiently challenged my opinions?

Re: Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter

#113

Alternative title: “Twitter ex CEO announces half-baked and social signalling fuelled, competitor product to entice as many as possible to leave Twitter and help line his pockets”

Keep the status quo and continue to line the pockets of a leveraged billionaire. Sounds good.

Re: Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter

#114
post #14

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Bleh, I find your position is boring because it's so easily shown to be unworkable. Imagine there have a platform run as you suggest and I don't like what you're saying on it: I flood you and anyone that supports you with not-quite-illegal abuse, misinformation, non-sense, spam, false flag support from people with deplorable views. Copy-cats of you that take your positions but weakly argued or with a touch of added g…

There are quite a few websites with little or no moderation working just fine, like 4chan. But I honestly don't understand this whole argument. Twitter is a social network, you just need to only receive messages from your network or "friends of a friend". You can't have both a global network and get offended given the multitude of opinions and laws in the world. The problem seems to be less that people are offended b…

> There are quite a few websites with little or no moderation working just fine, like 4chan.

Working fine at doing what? Emulating a thousand typing monkeys? Arguing that 4chan has some form of working discourse and rherefore everything should be like it is like arguing there is still some message at the end in the childrens game "silent mail" and therefore it should replace all methods of communication.

Don't get me wrong, there probably even is some sort of use in the existence of something like 4chan (I bet some sociology doctorate has written about the function of the platform for certain demographic parts of the population for example).

But there is probably a reason why you are discussion this topic here on HN instead of over there. And if I guess, this reason has all to do with you being able to have better, cleverer and more informed discussion here, than over there and is not at all hindered by the fact that the HN moderation would cut your voice off if you just pressed the right (wrong) buttons.

Some form of moderation is always better for discussion than none at all, unless you are making some sort of social experiment.

Re: Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter

#115
post #7

No thanks. I'm done with Jack and I'm done with Elon. Mastodon is great and it's already starting to feel like home. Don't need anymore drama from these reckless people.

Mastodon is only free of issues because the masses haven't found it yet. Give it a few years and it'll be the same as or worse than twitter, given Mastodon's lack of moderation.

Mastodon has plenty of moderation: every instance has it's own people, when questionable content makes its way from a non moderated instance to others, the moderators of the others can moderate it. If an instance receives moderation requests from the rest of the fediverse and doesn't act on it, it eventually gets defederated.

Having a process that distributes the load of moderation is better, IMNHO, than piling all that work on underpaid people.

Re: Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter

#116
post #85

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No centralization, no server.

"This, and other things CEOs say while smoking crack." Computer code still runs on CPUs and not the aether. If its accepting connections from other computers it is the server in the client/server model. If it's on your desktop, it just typically means it doesn't have ECC memory and a battery backup dropping the reliability even further. Decentralized architectures have all kinds of fun and complicated failure modes,…

High speed and low latency are overvalued at the moment, because they are so important to the functioning of the capitalist internet.

Usenet, IRC, email - discussion, conversation, mail - all worked fine for decades on the old, low speed internet. What exactly are we getting in exchange for all this high-availability nonsense anyways?

Re: Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter

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Interesting. So you're creating your bubble just because you don't want anyone challenging your opinions. Let's see how that goes a year from now.

What about me, who never used Twitter and wont use this either? Did I make a bubble because I don't want people to challenge my opinions? How many tweets do I need to read a day until I have sufficiently challenged my opinions?

What? If you've never used twitter, why do you even care now? If you use ig, reddit, fb, that's ok. If you like to have conversations with people in person, that's ok too. I just don't understand why people are worked out by Elon buying twitter. If you think twitter is going to become more of a cesspool, then by all means use mastodom, gettr, truth social, etc...

I was just stating that if twitter was bad before, these new alternatives will be 10x worse since they will create truly silos and radicalize even more people. To each their own.

Re: Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter

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What about me, who never used Twitter and wont use this either? Did I make a bubble because I don't want people to challenge my opinions? How many tweets do I need to read a day until I have sufficiently challenged my opinions?

What? If you've never used twitter, why do you even care now? If you use ig, reddit, fb, that's ok. If you like to have conversations with people in person, that's ok too. I just don't understand why people are worked out by Elon buying twitter. If you think twitter is going to become more of a cesspool, then by all means use mastodom, gettr, truth social, etc... I was just stating that if twitter was bad before, the…

Why would I care that I'm in a bubble? Because I don't want to be. You were just suggesting that by not using these certain apps, the poster was forcing themselves into an ignorant bubble. I'm asking you, is that true of someone that doesn't use twitter outright?

Re: Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter

#119
post #108

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> We use DIDs for identity but presently no blockchain DID methods. I notice that the documentation[0] says: "We introduced DID Placeholder because we weren't totally satisfied with any of the existing DID methods. ... We cheekily titled the method "Placeholder", because we don't want it to stick around. We're actively hoping to replace it with something less centralized. We expect a method to emerge that fits the bi…

Grant us a little leeway: it all takes time. The DID PLC registry is a placeholder because what we actually want is akin to a ICAN-style governance over it. When we talk about a “permissioned consortium” we mean as opposed to a “permissionless blockchain.” It’s not that we haven’t solved the mechanics; it’s that the right solution is a people/org problem and not a computing problem. We include DID Web as an option in…

Thank you for taking the time to respond to my concerns. Your transparency is very reassuring, and I appreciate your contributions to this important area of technology.

I think I am still uneasy, though, about the idea of hoping for a global governance structure (with unknown accountability and financial controls) to come along and start granting (and revoking) people their online identities.

I just feel like the professor in the Far Side cartoon pointing to the blackboard and saying "I think you should be more explicit here in step two"[0], but miracles happen every day, and important breakthroughs can take years of hard work before the answer is clear. Let's hope that you don't get stuck with a system that you're not happy with.

[0] https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a3b19e99fad0ee2c1d663...

Re: Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter

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post #116
post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"This, and other things CEOs say while smoking crack." Computer code still runs on CPUs and not the aether. If its accepting connections from other computers it is the server in the client/server model. If it's on your desktop, it just typically means it doesn't have ECC memory and a battery backup dropping the reliability even further. Decentralized architectures have all kinds of fun and complicated failure modes,…

High speed and low latency are overvalued at the moment, because they are so important to the functioning of the capitalist internet. Usenet, IRC, email - discussion, conversation, mail - all worked fine for decades on the old, low speed internet. What exactly are we getting in exchange for all this high-availability nonsense anyways?

Usenet was pretty low latency at the time. But that time is long past. This is the problem you have where you look at the past and said "All these things worked great then", but the moment your users use something with higher bandwidth and lower latency they are leaving your site. If everything is slow that is the expectation, if you're slow, you're losing.

So yea, we're the old men yelling at clouds, and the kids have gone on to a ADHD fueled media filled flashing light fest and they don't plan on coming back.

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