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Post by neuronexmachina »

shadowgovt wrote: post #26
twobitshifter wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is NAI related to SD in any way?

Different trained model, which was extracted from its creator via unauthorized system access and is illicitly available via BitTorrent. The drama appears to have started because an open-source developer who wrote a web frontend to control SD adapted that frontend to control the hacked model also, which has offended SD's CEO (because of the general principle of "Don't help software pirates"). The additional drama incl…

> The additional drama includes that said open-source author has looked at the leaked code and concluded that it stole some of his open source work in the way it tunes text parameters.

My understanding might be out of date, but as I recall it seemed that the code he thought was stolen from his open-source work actually originated from a third project that's MIT licensed.

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by NayamAmarshe »

silisili wrote: post #106
NayamAmarshe wrote: post #74

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Totally agree with you but it's nowhere near how bad facebook is. At least on reddit, opinions aren't illegal or approved by how Zucc and team see fit. Facebook is extremely ban happy and you can do absolutely nothing about it. On reddit, at the very least you can create your own sub or join subs where people won't ban you for whatever you have to say.

> create your own sub or join subs where people won't ban you for whatever you have to say Not exactly true. the_donald, all the numerous *InAction, some morbid, etc subs were all banned. Most of them because they didn't like what people were saying, regardless of what lies Reddit comes up with for the reason.

Yeah I'm not denying that in any capacity. I'm only speaking from personal experience. Getting banned on Facebook for opinions is extremely easy compared to Reddit.

Yes both are biased but as long as you're not a guy infuriating more than half the Reddit employees, you're not usually banned which is opposite to Facebook as it would ban you no matter if you're a new account or an old account or are even posting an opinion on your wall with no friends.

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Post by bt4u »

that_guy_iain wrote: post #107
c7DJTLrn wrote: post #14

When you realise Reddit is moderated by unpaid megalomaniacs and teenagers, everything starts to fall into place. In some ways Reddit is worse than Facebook because it is influenced by anonymous entities with zero checks and balances.

I remember at some party I was talking to some guy who moderated something. He took it super serious and took everything a bit more serious than everyone else. I got the feeling from him that he held quite a low job. So it made sense to me that he would decide the desire to do something and have power somewhere so seriously. He talked about how hard it was to place clean. I kind of felt bad for him, but the thing is,…

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Post by Atheros »

LordDragonfang wrote: post #35
superkuh wrote: post #17

> So Discord can just take servers from people and give them away to corporations without asking? He never had a "server". Just like no one has a Facebook "server". Discord is a corporation not a person. Communities run by corporate services are different than servers run by human persons. You give up everything when you don't actually host your own server(s) for communicating with your community.

That may be true in the technical sense, but discord uses the term "server" to refer to the collection of channels (text and voice) that it allows you to create. i.e. individual discord communities are called "servers". It might not square with the traditional hardware definition of the the word, but it's being used correctly here.

And that technical distinction doesn't matter right up until the moment it does, which is why we're here today. While the distinction is obvious to most HN users, I would bet that it isn't to many Discord users. When Discord users create a 'server', I would bet that many of them do not understand how few rights they have, specifically because they are being purposely mislead by Discord.

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Post by cowtools »

nemothekid wrote: post #40
superkuh wrote: post #17

> So Discord can just take servers from people and give them away to corporations without asking? He never had a "server". Just like no one has a Facebook "server". Discord is a corporation not a person. Communities run by corporate services are different than servers run by human persons. You give up everything when you don't actually host your own server(s) for communicating with your community.

A Discord "server" is a colloquial term for the community space. The nitpick is meaningless, I could have an AWS "server", but at the end of the day we both know it's a virtual instance that sits on an actual server.

It's deceitful for discord to use that language because it implies some level of independence.

A VPS service like AWS goes out of their way to specify that it is a "virtual server". the product they provide is analagous to real server hardware and largely interchangable with other server hosts.

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Post by spookthesunset »

caconym_ wrote: post #99
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #81

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> In some ways Reddit is worse than Facebook because it is influenced by anonymous entities with zero checks and balances. The discourse in many subreddits is invisibly dictated by the moderators. It's not obvious when you browse posts because everything is organically coming from random people. However, moderators can entirely shape the conversation by only allowing posts that say what they want. In other words: The…

100%. The reality of moderation on Reddit is absolutely horrifying, like flipping over a rock and finding a pile of decomposing rat carcasses underneath. It's unbelievable, for instance, how often comments going against the grain are "shadow removed".

For forget you can get preemptively banned from many subs simply by posting in a “wrong think” sub the mods don’t like.

Granted you can just create a new account to route around it but still…

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Post by MichaelCollins »

NayamAmarshe wrote: post #85
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #81

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> In some ways Reddit is worse than Facebook because it is influenced by anonymous entities with zero checks and balances. The discourse in many subreddits is invisibly dictated by the moderators. It's not obvious when you browse posts because everything is organically coming from random people. However, moderators can entirely shape the conversation by only allowing posts that say what they want. In other words: The…

On the other hand, nobody forces the feed on you if you choose your own community. Yes popular subs can be very political and biased but it doesn't mean you have to join them. On reddit, you can totally avoid bans and still say something. On Facebook, your words and your whole account have no value if the algorithm decides you spoke a 'no no word'. Facebook feed is entirely controlled by the algorithm and that algori…

> On the other hand, nobody forces the feed on you if you choose your own community.

That's only true if you stay small. If the subreddit gains traction, it will be taken from you if you don't moderate in a way that suits the whims of the power mod / admin cabal. They may take it from you under a flimsy pretext even if you're doing a good job, simply because they want to add your subreddit to their dominion.

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Post by WhitneyLand »

wsb_mod2 wrote: post #27
baxtr wrote: post #22

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Yeah, because they want to save on mod costs, I guess. Related to that: I am wondering, does @dang get a monthly paycheck for his incredible work?

Yup, @dang is paid. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23810452

Worth every penny.

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Post by MichaelCollins »

bawolff wrote: post #100
c7DJTLrn wrote: post #14

When you realise Reddit is moderated by unpaid megalomaniacs and teenagers, everything starts to fall into place. In some ways Reddit is worse than Facebook because it is influenced by anonymous entities with zero checks and balances.

I'd rather have unpaid megalomaniacs and teenagers (read: people who care) than a faceless souless corporate bureaucracy. However both suck in very real but different ways.

You don't have to pick one or the other. I quit both.

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Post by NayamAmarshe »

MichaelCollins wrote: post #117
NayamAmarshe wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand, nobody forces the feed on you if you choose your own community. Yes popular subs can be very political and biased but it doesn't mean you have to join them. On reddit, you can totally avoid bans and still say something. On Facebook, your words and your whole account have no value if the algorithm decides you spoke a 'no no word'. Facebook feed is entirely controlled by the algorithm and that algori…

> On the other hand, nobody forces the feed on you if you choose your own community. That's only true if you stay small. If the subreddit gains traction, it will be taken from you if you don't moderate in a way that suits the whims of the power mod / admin cabal. They may take it from you under a flimsy pretext even if you're doing a good job, simply because they want to add your subreddit to their dominion.

Yes, no denying that but at least you have the ability to reach the point.

Facebook on the other hand finishes before something can even start because the algorithm checks every single word that you post, unlike Reddit.

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