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Eating horsemeat in France

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Re: Eating horsemeat in France

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Interesting! Is this US-specific?

Rabbit is readily available in the rural US if you hunt and skin it yourself. I could eat forever just on the population in my yard. But alas...tularemia is a thing.

Also 'rabbit starvation' is a thing...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_poisoning

Re: Eating horsemeat in France

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> It always amuses me that when I tell this story, it's often met with disgust - even by meat-eaters! "But, how could you eat horse! They're so nice!". Yeah... you eat beef, have you ever met a cow up close? They're also lovely creatures! I see this as double-standards - similar to how most meat-eaters also seem so disgusted by the idea of eating dogs in certain parts of Asia. Doesn't this more indicate that many peo…

Really deep down, i.e. at the level of hunger and what looks tasty to your body, eating animals is very right. They are a fantastic source of nutrition. However, we also like to domesticate animals, as companions and helpers. Hence the conflict. We eat way too much meat, but strict vegetarianism and especially veganism does not scale to the whole population of the planet - animals are simply too efficient at converti…

> animals are simply too efficient at converting what we can grow everywhere but can't eat ... Simply, an exclusively plant based diet would require the elimination (by starvation?) of who knows, 90% of the world population?

"Half of the world’s habitable land is used for agriculture, with most of this used to raise livestock for dairy and meat. Livestock are fed from two sources – lands on which the animals graze and land on which feeding crops, such as soy and cereals, are grown. How much would our agricultural land use decline if the world adopted a plant-based diet?

Research suggests that if everyone shifted to a plant-based diet we would reduce global land use for agriculture by 75%. This large reduction of agricultural land use would be possible thanks to a reduction in land used for grazing and a smaller need for land to grow crops.

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In the charts here we see the energy and protein efficiency of different animal products. This tells us what percentage of the calories or grams of protein that we feed livestock are later available to consume as meat and dairy. As an example: beef has an energy efficiency of about 2%. This means that for every 100 kilocalories you feed a cow, you only get 2 kilocalories of beef back. In general we see that cows are the least efficient, followed by lamb, pigs then poultry."

https://ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets

Re: Eating horsemeat in France

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Interesting! Is this US-specific?

Rabbit isn’t common in US grocery stores but Duck and Lamb are, especially around winter holidays.

Duck is a bit harder to prepare but is common - the local store even has Cornish game hens.

Meat rabbits are still grown in some areas, but it's relatively rare to find on a supermarket shelf.

Re: Eating horsemeat in France

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When I lived in NL, I took a trip to Maastricht which is a beautiful place right in the South and tried a popular local dish - Zoervleis[0] which is traditionally horse meat. It was delicious. It always amuses me that when I tell this story, it's often met with disgust - even by meat-eaters! "But, how could you eat horse! They're so nice!". Yeah... you eat beef, have you ever met a cow up close? They're also lovely c…

Chickens, otoh. They are filth and evil enanimalfied. Let their suffering be infinite.

Re: Eating horsemeat in France

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Eating horse meat was very common in central Europe before the big wars. In WWI and WWII even more so, horses were declared essential for the war in axis countries, and eating them became illegal. In Italy horse meat picked right up again after WWII, but in Austria and Germany people forgot about the reasons it seems and it stayed unacceptable/frowned upon. You can find (excellent) horse meat products in western Aust…

My grand mother stopped eating horse meat after WW2, because rwally bad horse meat was the only meat she got during the war. Horse is actually among the stuff I want to try one day, along with swan.

Check Mongolian barbecues near you (if any) - I've found some relatively exotic meats there from time to time.

Re: Eating horsemeat in France

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> the reaction you get is typically "Eeehwww! i understand when people react that way to eating dog or smth, but horses and cows are same family of animald

> but horses and cows are same family of animal How do you mean? They're not, taxonomically.

The family of "big and eats grass" I guess.

Re: Eating horsemeat in France

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I’m not here to judge anyone for eating meat, despite being vegetarian, but I agree with the other comments here, if you eat cows or pigs or sheep or chickens then why not cockatoos or horses or dogs (or feral cats, which are consumed in some parts of Australia)? I don’t eat any of these creatures, but nevertheless, I just don’t get why certain animals seem to be culturally off limits for those who do eat meat. Is it…

I imagine it can feel strange to eat what you form an emotional bond with.

Yup, pretty much, yeah...

Re: Eating horsemeat in France

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We eat horsemeat in Italy as well, though not very commonly. I did a few times, eh, nothing to write home about. Also donkey meat ragu once, that was pretty good. AFAIK rabbit meat is not viewed very well across the pond either, like in the US. Correct me if I'm wrong.

> rabbit meat is not viewed very well across the pond either, like in the US It's not very common but I'm not shocked if I hear someone say they ate it, as I would be hearing someone ate horse. Rabbit will occasionally be sold at normal grocers but generally in short supply. I remember it being more common when I was a kid and I associate it with older people. Same with lamb, which is also increasingly rare stateside…

Rabbits fed the same kind of market that chickens do, but chickens have been engineered to produce absolutely massive amounts of meat for cheap, and rabbits haven't kept up.

Re: Eating horsemeat in France

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Eating horse meat was very common in central Europe before the big wars. In WWI and WWII even more so, horses were declared essential for the war in axis countries, and eating them became illegal. In Italy horse meat picked right up again after WWII, but in Austria and Germany people forgot about the reasons it seems and it stayed unacceptable/frowned upon. You can find (excellent) horse meat products in western Aust…

German here, horse meat isn't very hard to find. It's not commonly sold in stores, but it's everything but unacceptable.

I can confirm that. You can get it from specialised butchers, often at weekly markets.

Re: Eating horsemeat in France

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It's the first time I see a picture of edible meat and feel repulsed by it. Interesting. Bit of background about me: I really like horses. They're friends to me. I see why people eat them, but that just sounds wrong, just writing it. I... I guess I understand why vegetarians don't like meat, now.

I’m not here to judge anyone for eating meat, despite being vegetarian, but I agree with the other comments here, if you eat cows or pigs or sheep or chickens then why not cockatoos or horses or dogs (or feral cats, which are consumed in some parts of Australia)? I don’t eat any of these creatures, but nevertheless, I just don’t get why certain animals seem to be culturally off limits for those who do eat meat. Is it…

I mean cows are made of meat and horses are made of .... bone I guess?

It's mainly perceptual. I don't begrudge people wanting to eat random animals, but I'm not going to go out of my way to get or try it.

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