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Eating horsemeat in France

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Re: Eating horsemeat in France

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I’m in the Netherlands and there is a horse butcher (paardenslagerij) around the corner of my house. Has been there since the seventies. The sausage is quite good, but much fatter than I’d expected. It’s also quite expensive which can make sense because scarcity, but not make sense since the demand must be fairly low. Based on total anecdata, I see mostly pensioners going here. And me.

> It’s also quite expensive which can make sense because scarcity, but not make sense since the demand must be fairly low. If demand is highly inelastic - as would be expected for something like culinary preferences - then price actually has to increase when demand is low: if you can sell to 3 people at 20$ or 5 people at 10$, you're losing money by decreasing your price.

> If demand is highly inelastic - as would be expected for something like culinary preferences

Demand curves, regardless of elasticity, are always downward sloping: Higher prices lead to fewer units demanded.

Your statement implies control over prices: Firms with market power do not operate along the inelastic portion of a demand curve. This is a logical implication of profit maximization.

Before one can understand that, one must internalize the fact that as a seller, you cannot choose the price and the quantity sold independently. If you pick a price, you can sell the quantity demanded at that price. If it is too high, can't sell any. If you pick quantity, you can only sell all at a price people are willing to pay.

Assume a firm has market power (can pick price) and is operating along the inelastic portion of the demand curve.

If it charges a higher price, it loses some sales, but total revenue increases (that's what demand being inelastic means -- quantity sold falls, but percentagewise not as much as you increased the price, therefore, revenue, price x quantity increases). In addition, because cost is increasing in quantity (offering more for sale costs you more) and now you are producing less, costs go down. Therefore, profit, which is revenue minus cost, must increase. Therefore, if you were operating along the inelastic portion of the demand curve, you could not have been maximizing profits.

Therefore, firms with market power (can pick price) can only operate along the elastic portion of the demand curve.

If you are claiming demand for horse meat is a vertical straight line (which is not a thing outside of being a limiting case in econ 101), then lower demand means demand curves closer to x axis origin, i.e., price is determined simply by the supply curve. With a given supply curve (which are always positively sloped due to the fact that cost is increasing in output), lower demand means lower equilibrium price,

> then price actually has to increase when demand is low.

Demand falling cannot cause higher prices (keeping everything else constant).

Re: Eating horsemeat in France

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When I was a kid at school (France, late 70's), eating horse meat was something heard of. Not the kind of may you could eat everyday but you would see some at the butcher's (au least in the western suburbs of Paris). I never had some at the school canteen (I think). Fast forward 40 years, same city. There is no horse meat anywhere. Eating some is unheard of. I just asked my teenage children: they never heard of it (a…

Depends on the region. You can buy here in every shop rosbif Alsacien which is horse meat.

Re: Eating horsemeat in France

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Eating horse meat was very common in central Europe before the big wars. In WWI and WWII even more so, horses were declared essential for the war in axis countries, and eating them became illegal. In Italy horse meat picked right up again after WWII, but in Austria and Germany people forgot about the reasons it seems and it stayed unacceptable/frowned upon. You can find (excellent) horse meat products in western Aust…

> the reaction you get is typically "Eeehwww! i understand when people react that way to eating dog or smth, but horses and cows are same family of animald

> but horses and cows are same family of animal

How do you mean? They're not, taxonomically.

Re: Eating horsemeat in France

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Eating horse meat was very common in central Europe before the big wars. In WWI and WWII even more so, horses were declared essential for the war in axis countries, and eating them became illegal. In Italy horse meat picked right up again after WWII, but in Austria and Germany people forgot about the reasons it seems and it stayed unacceptable/frowned upon. You can find (excellent) horse meat products in western Aust…

> the reaction you get is typically "Eeehwww! i understand when people react that way to eating dog or smth, but horses and cows are same family of animald

I know what you mean, because of those 3 species, dogs are the only ones to be commonly kept as pets. But what is it that puts horses, dogs, and cows in the same/different categories?

Re: Eating horsemeat in France

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We eat horsemeat in Italy as well, though not very commonly. I did a few times, eh, nothing to write home about. Also donkey meat ragu once, that was pretty good. AFAIK rabbit meat is not viewed very well across the pond either, like in the US. Correct me if I'm wrong.

> rabbit meat is not viewed very well across the pond either, like in the US

It's not very common but I'm not shocked if I hear someone say they ate it, as I would be hearing someone ate horse.

Rabbit will occasionally be sold at normal grocers but generally in short supply. I remember it being more common when I was a kid and I associate it with older people.

Same with lamb, which is also increasingly rare stateside. I remember my mom's delicacy was lamb chops.

Goat is usually readily available where Caribbean or Indian populations are high. My local grocer usually has goat.

Re: Eating horsemeat in France

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Long ago I tried horse meat salami in France. It wasn’t terrible, but I prefer pork, or rather that’s what I was/am used to. Americans are surprised to hear when I talk about eating rabbit (again in France when I was a kid.) Those cute furry animals are delicious :)

Rabbit is eaten in the states, but it's kind of like venison: it's just not something you'll usually find in any store or restaurant, unless those places are specifically going out of their way to cater to either hunters or an "old world European" aesthetic. I can regularly get rabbit at either cheap redneck holes in the sticks or expensive German restaurants in the city.

People outside of the cities, and ethnic enclaves within cities, eat a lot of different types of meat. I've had goat, bear, possum, and even alligator. I've known people to eat squirrel, but I personally never considered it worth the effort.

There are also lots of different parts of the animal that you'll only find regionally. Various organ meats. Cow and pig intestines. Pigs feet. Pig snout. Pig cheek flesh. Bull testicles (called "Rocky Mountain Oysters" where I was from, though we were nowhere near the Rocky Mountains). Sections of beef brain (excellent battered and deep fried).

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