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Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by mkr-hn »

wronglyprepaid wrote: post #99
ekianjo wrote: post #29

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all these news organizations in Japan are nothing but government mouthpieces. When Abe was in power the journalists could not stop singing his praises and how smart the whole "Abenomics" was supposed to be.

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You sure about that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_coverage_of_the_2016_Uni...

>> 'A 2018 study found that media coverage of Trump led to increased public support for him during the primaries. The study showed that Trump received nearly $2 billion in free media, more than double any other candidate. Political scientist John M. Sides argued that Trump's polling surge was "almost certainly" due to frequent media coverage of his campaign. Sides concluded "Trump is surging in the polls because the news media has consistently focused on him since he announced his candidacy on June 16".[21] Prior to clinching the Republican nomination, Trump received little support from establishment Republicans.[22]'

His own party wouldn't even give him the time of day until he was made inevitable by a fawning press gorging itself on easy ad dollars.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by pmoriarty »

guerrilla wrote: post #49
thematrixturtle wrote: post #33

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It's not about "licenses to exist", but access to the press clubs (kisha clubs). Basically, if the government doesn't like what you print/say, you get frozen out the clubs and hence out of all government news. https://freespeechdebate.com/discuss/an-impregnable-fortress...

This is the same in every country, including the US where entire agencies will just stop talking to you if you piss them off (especially police departments.) It's one of the ways we get all this propaganda even though we have a nominally "free" press.

"This is the same in every country, including the US where entire agencies will just stop talking to you if you piss them off"

They only stop talking to you through official channels. There will always be leakers, disgruntled employees and others willing to talk to you anonymously or unofficially. Not to mention that you can talk to people and ask questions without announcing that you're a reporter. This used to be called investigative journalism.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by hunglee2 »

cuteboy19 wrote: post #109
cvccvroomvroom wrote: post #100

The Moonies, often represented in America by some unfortunate Korean boy or girl, beg for money at American universities in exchange for food and lodging. It's essentially human trafficking and indentured servitude because they're trapped in a foreign country. So, if see someone who doesn't speak English who shoved a photo montage flip book clipboard of deprivation in front of you, think twice before giving them mone…

Is it a requirement for every Asian cult to own a few American newspapers? I know of two others

no requirement, just smart business

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by cvccvroomvroom »

cuteboy19 wrote: post #109
cvccvroomvroom wrote: post #100

The Moonies, often represented in America by some unfortunate Korean boy or girl, beg for money at American universities in exchange for food and lodging. It's essentially human trafficking and indentured servitude because they're trapped in a foreign country. So, if see someone who doesn't speak English who shoved a photo montage flip book clipboard of deprivation in front of you, think twice before giving them mone…

Is it a requirement for every Asian cult to own a few American newspapers? I know of two others

Don't you dare besmirch The Epoch Times.

Edit: People don't understand /s. Poe's law strikes again.

Also, The Christian Science Monitor does a terrible job monitoring Christian Science and Christianity, but they do alright on science. They're absolutely flying off the handle with their obvious slant towards uncontroversial, neutral, factual reporting. Those bastards.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by formerly_proven »

duckmysick wrote: post #101
evilsetg wrote: post #92

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I like the model of ths German Bundespressekonferenz where an organization made up of journalists invites the German goverment for press conferences instead of the other way around. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundespressekonferenz#Organisa...

Can the journalist organization exclude its members if they break ranks, so to speak?

No.

https://www.bundespressekonferenz.de/verein/satzung

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by implements »

frenet wrote: post #79
Mandelmus wrote: post #61

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Your thinly veiled accusation of racism notwithstanding, I don’t think there’s anything morally deplorable in thinking the media should help the public build a more statistically representative model of the world we live in, regardless of the cultural background of criminals. As an example, I don’t think the demographic of young white guys fare too well in the mass shooter statistic, but omitting this reality isn’t o…

You can certainly have your opinions. They just aren't very relevant when the entire premise of this discussion is false. This clearly isn't being reported by a US or UK mainstream publication but what looks like a one man operation in Japan. This is very much the problem with hijacking discussion. Not only is there little to no context but the participants get so excited that they can't fact check even the two lines…

> This clearly isn't being reported by a US or UK mainstream publication but what looks like a one man operation in Japan.

Oddly enough, I had LBC London News on (UK DAB Radio) earlier and they accurately reported the story - (Precis) "Man upset at Church donation killed Abe over believed links to said Church" - remarkably good news journalism for quite a niche radio station.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by pmoriarty »

shusaku wrote: post #96
ETHisso2017 wrote: post #9

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Why aren't the major Japanese media outlets covering this angle before the polls close in Japan's upper house elections (today)?

It’s absolutely insane to me that people are criticizing the Japanese media over this. Why should we be amplifying a murder’s message? Don’t reward a man for shooting someone in the back. After every mass shooting in the US I see widespread criticism of the media for sensationalism and turning mass murders into stars. Yet when another country follows this very advice, they’re criticized for a lack of free speech?

Knowledge and transparency is oxygen to a democracy. Without an informed populace you can not have an effective democracy.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by giantg2 »

tkgally wrote: post #5

The linked article ends with this: “Why the Japanese media has refused to identify the ‘religious group’ that formed the motive for the killing must remain as speculation at this juncture, though it reflects very poorly on Japan’s status as a democratic nation.” It’s important to note that the Japanese media is not monolithic. It’s true that the major newspapers (Asahi, Yomiuri, Mainichi, Nikkei, etc.) and the broadc…

Maybe they don't want copycats.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5296697/

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by pyinstallwoes »

permo-w wrote: post #69
pyinstallwoes wrote: post #59

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Isn’t this nearly identical to the real life events journaled by a reporter in Tokyo from the 90s? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_Vice

besides being about crime in Japan, I can't see any similarities in the article

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Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by giantg2 »

paulmd wrote: post #31
ehvatum wrote: post #28

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> pretty ignorant to imply that suppressing information is inconsistent with democracy It sort of is inconsistent with democracy. People should know for whom and for what they vote.

Is it? In most democracies in the world there are things you cannot publish even if they are true - Britain for example still maintains an official state censor, and even in the US there are still some state secrets that you cannot publish regardless of how true they are . Britain and many other countries also maintain a right to privacy that protects non-public-figure individuals against salacious soap-opera tabloid…

"Again, as should be said every time the topic comes up here on HN - the idealization of absolute and unlimited free speech is kind of a uniquely American phenomenon and even then it is not quite absolute."

Yeah, I just got smacked down on here for suggesting that not sharing all the details, naming names, etc could be because they don't want to encourage copycats, and that the US could address some of it's violence via a law limiting the details they provide.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5296697/

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