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Bolt has a cool web interface and they really don't want you to use it

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Re: Bolt has a cool web interface and they really don't want you to use it

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I formerly worked at Uber. I’m surprised that Bolt blocks the web app from working. Uber also built a web app which is incredibly lightweight - here’s a summary on how it was built [1]. It’s a life saver especially if e.g. at an airport and you pay for data over roaming. Uber doesn’t exactly advertise m.uber.com, but there’s no blocking of it. My suspect is that Bold wants you to use their app as they can eg send pus…

Lyft has a nice one, too: https://ride.lyft.com/

Re: Bolt has a cool web interface and they really don't want you to use it

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At the end you talk about having laws passed. What sort of law do you want passed exactly (and do you mean EU, specific EU countries, US, elsewhere)?

I guess one thing could be to force businesses of certain scale (or ideally, of any scale) to not offer services exclusive to a particular digital ecosystem, unless that's the only way to provide that service. My local restaurant uses an app to do loyalty stamps... I really wish tey would come back to the traditional paper-based ones

Why should the government mandate something like that? Why don't you just give feedback to the businesses that they should make these changes and if you and enough other people feel the same way, they probably will. I understand government intervention in cases of dark patterns that harm consumers (e.g. the recent Intuit settlement in the U.S.) and to protect certain groups that are likely to be harmed or neglected (e.g. the handicapped, blind, etc.) but I'm not sure I understand the need for government to intervene in a case like this where it is a business choice and the consumer while annoyed is not really harmed and there is no monopoly (as far as I remember in Estonia when I lived there a few years ago it was quite easy to hail a normal cab anywhere and was the same when I travelled the Baltics), and personally I get very nervous when the government starts regulating very specific things.

Re: Bolt has a cool web interface and they really don't want you to use it

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Not really, it is sort of a monopoly. The only competitor app we had was Yandex Taxi, but ever since the war we don't have it here anymore.

Did Uber exit the market in the region completely?

It never was a thing in Latvia, and neither was Lyft. I don't recall Bolt (ex Taxify) ever having another app competitor except Yandex Taxi

Re: Bolt has a cool web interface and they really don't want you to use it

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You say unverified, but I’m pretty sure there’s lots of verification for this. Obviously it will depend on the service or app, but it’s a well known trend. At my previous job our app had much higher retention than our web product, despite the web product being much more mature, modern, and feature rich. We verified this across multiple marketing channels, and looked at long term user retention over years.

Could it be that the mobile interface was simply better in terms of speed, usability, smoothness of the UX? Complex web apps honestly often look and feel shite in the browser.

Potentially, but aren't those essentially properties of native apps? When we say that apps retain users better it's not some magic, it's because of apps typically having better UX, whether that's speed/features, device integration, or the "UX" of being right there on the home screen.

Re: Bolt has a cool web interface and they really don't want you to use it

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You say unverified, but I’m pretty sure there’s lots of verification for this. Obviously it will depend on the service or app, but it’s a well known trend. At my previous job our app had much higher retention than our web product, despite the web product being much more mature, modern, and feature rich. We verified this across multiple marketing channels, and looked at long term user retention over years.

How do you know that people use the app because they are already highly committed to the service, rather than the other way around? IE, the whole thing is a selection effect?

We were a logged-in only service, and measured that users acquired on the app who never used the website were typically retained longer than users acquired on the web who never used the app.

We certainly did encourage users acquired on the web to download the app, and the fact that those who did were retained longer could have been a selection effect, but I don't think this accounts for users who never saw the other platform.

Re: Bolt has a cool web interface and they really don't want you to use it

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Not really, it is sort of a monopoly. The only competitor app we had was Yandex Taxi, but ever since the war we don't have it here anymore.

Did Uber exit the market in the region completely?

For what it's worth Uber is still in the neighboring Estonia, which is also the headquarters of Bolt.

Uber entered Estonia quite early and did its classic market share grab where it completely dominated. However they quickly lost that market share to Bolt (in a period of a few years, and even before it was called Bolt - it was Taxify back then) because of local market understanding and more concentrated marketing/advertising. Nowadays Uber still "works", but you have to wait 20 minutes for a car, compared to 2 minutes with Bolt. I get a sense that a good chunk of Uber drivers are banned from Bolt, but this is just a hunch based on the Uber drivers accepting low fee rides during surge pricing on Bolt.

Re: Bolt has a cool web interface and they really don't want you to use it

#117

This reminds me of Reddit's approach to mobile. They make their mobile web interface excruciating to use, and block features client side just to push you onto their app. I'm guessing it has to do with mobile users being more lucrative?

try this www.reddit.com/.compact. No ads, a billion times easier to grok

Re: Bolt has a cool web interface and they really don't want you to use it

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As a daily Bolt user I have two main guesses as to why they want everyone using the app.

1) GPS tracking. They want to know where you are at all times. The app makes this tracking easier than a webpage.

2) Upselling. The Bolt app has front and center upselling to their car rental service, their scooter rental service, and their food delivery service. All these services share the same account and payment info too. -- Do these exist in the web version? I don't see them on the screenshots. These upsells can be implemented on the web too of course, but that probably hasn't happened as it requires web apps for those services too.

Re: Bolt has a cool web interface and they really don't want you to use it

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Did Uber exit the market in the region completely?

For what it's worth Uber is still in the neighboring Estonia, which is also the headquarters of Bolt. Uber entered Estonia quite early and did its classic market share grab where it completely dominated. However they quickly lost that market share to Bolt (in a period of a few years, and even before it was called Bolt - it was Taxify back then) because of local market understanding and more concentrated marketing/adv…

Okay, yeah I'd used Uber once or twice when I moved to Estonia but Bolt just so completely dominated that I switched over to using that whenever I was in Estonia and then if you wanted to go really low priced you could use Yandex Taxi (although I mainly used that in Armenia because that was the best local option at the time).

Re: Bolt has a cool web interface and they really don't want you to use it

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I really can't understand why Reddit is pushing the app so hard. I mean, keep that as an option, but why creating an awful UX for the mobile web users? You gather more data but the product is worse, less users are staying and you're losing value at the end...

Easy, harder for users to block the ads in apps. Apple / Google should allow add blockers for the entire OS.

It is possible with SNI blocking to adblock on Android, even when apps use custom DNS revolvers (though not as effective). I built https://github.com/jawline/Puffer a while ago but haven't had the time to improve it much past proof of concept.
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