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Are baby calves coming down with Salmonella or E Coli poisoning all the time? It seems reasonable that the risk is not in consumption, but letting the raw milk sit around for any length of time. If anyone knows why, I would be curious to hear.
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Note that boiling is not the same as pasteurization. Pasteurization involves heating but doesn't require boiling. You can pasteurize by heating to 73 degrees C for 25 seconds. Boiling, in the case of milk, is heating it to its boiling point which is around 100.17 degrees C. Boiling has a higher impact in the nutritional value of milk than pasteurization.
They were using heat to neutralize germs. No need to be pedantic.
- Calories: 152 -> 146
- Protein: 8.14 g -> 8 g
- Carbs: 12 g -> 11.4 g
- Calcium: 28% DV -> 23% DV
- Vitamin D: 24% DV -> 13% DV
- Vitamin B12: 18% DV -> 13% DV
- Phosphorus: 22% DV -> 20% DV
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Further: see ‘raw water’. As far as I can tell it’s mostly high income earners who fall for these fads, outside of those stuck in the wilderness without treated water. It defies logic.
And if your want to see full crazy, check https://old.reddit.com/r/RawMeat/ > Vomit, diarrhea, coughing, sneezing, sweating, are all ways that the body expels toxins.
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Do you want shorter average lifespans? This is how you get them. By ignoring advances in things like food safety. > I used to get not full on sick, but pretty sick after eating raw or partially raw meat. You may think it's crazy, but I just continued doing it and eventually stopped getting diarrhea and cramps. This kills some people. Health advice isn't about you, it's about everyone. See also: wearing a mask during…
> Health advice isn't about you, it's about everyone. See also: wearing a mask during a pandemic. That's not even remotely comparable. If someone else could die from drinking raw milk, what business is it of theirs that I choose to drink gallons of it and live to tell the tale? The whole point of the legalization is to legalize the consumption . Did you read the article?
Regarding the policy aspects: when a substance is potentially harmful then we already have frameworks to regulate sale and possession, as used for things like radioactives and poisons. If an activity is harmful but only to the individual, then education and normalization of behaviour offers the best possible public health outcome, such as the wearing of bicycle helmets (everyone should wear a helmet, but criminalising noncompliance is the worst possible means to achieve it). Only when an activity is harmful to others (such as smoking, or not wearing a facemask during a pandemic) should criminalisation be considered, in my view. In general, exposing younger citizens to hazardous substances (like people feeding their kids raw milk) shouldn't need specific treatment since it's already covered by child endangerment laws and duty of care towards minors, although I suppose carve-outs can be considered when some echobubble loses their collective minds.
By such a policy position, the legislature in the original story did half the job, in my opinion; the sale and possession of raw milk should be regulated like a poison, and the consumption of it strongly deterred through education of the risks. The stunt of drinking it was the height of idiocy, but stupidity is hardly in short supply amongst legislators.
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It’s amazing that in a supposedly science-driven forum, an entire set of comments can imply that pasteurization, one of humanity’s great accomplishments, is a folly. People die from drinking raw milk. It is genuinely a risky thing to do. Not everyone will die but enough that society should work hard to limit it as much as possible.
I think instead of straight prohibit, raw milk should be purchasable if the buyer understands the dangers, and knows how to treat their own usage so that it's safe - for example, they boil it themselves. There's plenty of things that are dangerous and can kill you, but we don't and shouldn't prohibit it all. Instead, society should aim to educate, and also put in warning labels etc.
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I kept under-cooking burger patties to the point where they were still raw in the middle and thought "f** it" and ate them anyway. Then I moved on to eating straight raw meat for the novelty of it. I'm not sure that I'd eat raw pork, but supposedly today's regulations have mostly eliminated the possibility of trichinosis. Otherwise, I've found raw meat to be way less hazardous than I was lead to believe. I don't advo…
Rare burgers are really risky. Steaks are OK because there’s not usually bacteria within a cut of meat (at least not a rotten one). Ground beef is all surface area.
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Why were you eating raw meat, may I ask?
I kept under-cooking burger patties to the point where they were still raw in the middle and thought "f** it" and ate them anyway. Then I moved on to eating straight raw meat for the novelty of it. I'm not sure that I'd eat raw pork, but supposedly today's regulations have mostly eliminated the possibility of trichinosis. Otherwise, I've found raw meat to be way less hazardous than I was lead to believe. I don't advo…
If you mean you can tolerate more risk than others, that would be a higher risk tolerance.
Honestly, I suspect this kind of thing happens as a result of a diet devoid of microbial life and non-denatured proteins. I used to get not full on sick, but pretty sick after eating raw or partially raw meat. You may think it's crazy, but I just continued doing it and eventually stopped getting diarrhea and cramps. David Blaine (I think) talked about a similar effect from when he practiced swallowing live frogs. He…
I can't believe you're giving away this advice for free
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I think instead of straight prohibit, raw milk should be purchasable if the buyer understands the dangers, and knows how to treat their own usage so that it's safe - for example, they boil it themselves. There's plenty of things that are dangerous and can kill you, but we don't and shouldn't prohibit it all. Instead, society should aim to educate, and also put in warning labels etc.
Genuinely curious: why would you want to pasteurize your own milk? I get the “homemade cake” reasoning for desserts but I see very little benefit to pasteurizing milk yourself.
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They were using heat to neutralize germs. No need to be pedantic.
Per cup (whole/pasteurized -> whole/boiled) - Calories: 152 -> 146 - Protein: 8.14 g -> 8 g - Carbs: 12 g -> 11.4 g - Calcium: 28% DV -> 23% DV - Vitamin D: 24% DV -> 13% DV - Vitamin B12: 18% DV -> 13% DV - Phosphorus: 22% DV -> 20% DV