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Google will soon ask Australian users to show ID to view some content

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Re: Google will soon ask Australian users to show ID to view some content

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Regarding adult content, don't you think that there is a better solution? Websites could add a HTTP header containing content rating; if the header is missing then it is considered 18+ content. Browsers use this header to restrict access according to OS settings.

This way the problem can be solved without any IDs and credit cards.

Also I don't understand why age verification is needed for Google Play. Isn't adult content already banned there?

Re: Google will soon ask Australian users to show ID to view some content

#112
post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you explain further?

Imagine you are visiting hacker news, and for some reason you have to prove your age, but you don't want HN to know who you are, nor your age identity site to know you're going to HN One way to do this off the top mf my head would be HN issues a unique number (say 4096 bit) to you when you create an account You send that number to your identity provider along with confirming proof of age The identity provider signs t…

Why not let the user download the signed proof-of-age, and post it back to HN?

Re: Google will soon ask Australian users to show ID to view some content

#113
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I am curious if the ID will be validated somehow or just dates checked. If the former, I wonder of this endpoint would be given to any site owner to validate age. If the latter, I can imagine someone creating a "this ID does not exist" service to fill this need. More likely VPN providers are about to get a bump in clientele.

In theory, IDs can be verified against government-owned database. That's how online ID verification for payment systems works in Russia.

Re: Google will soon ask Australian users to show ID to view some content

#114

Although the title is correct, it's worth noting that Google is not doing this because it thinks it's fun to require verification. The Australian government is requiring google to take this action.

The incentives of the two organizations are aligned. It makes sense and is very unfortunate that they capitulate so easily. It's yet another example of why you shouldn't rely on anything from Google.

Re: Google will soon ask Australian users to show ID to view some content

#115

> Australian government forces Google to soon ask Australian users to show ID to view some content There, I fixed it. I'm getting tired of every headline trying to bash on Google/Facebook/etc. for clicks.

Kind of a bad look for Google when its workers refuse to work on projects for the US Military, and then when Trump wins they hold a meeting where top level execs are tearing up and emotional while unpacking the situation… but when things like this happen, seemingly, nothing but crickets from those brave workers.

Tired of people defending Google at every turn despite them not deserving the benefit of the doubt for many years now.

Re: Google will soon ask Australian users to show ID to view some content

#116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Needing gov't ID to follow search links is dystopian, and antithetical to the original spirit of the Internet. Google should flat out refuse when governments make these requests.

Agreed, and not sure why the early downvote wave you experienced there. I am surprised to see this sort of sentiment downvoted on HN.

I'll explain why I downvoted - because I get a little bit sick of these slippery slope arguments that every time Google has to follow a law that, while controversial, is not exactly the last breath of a despotic régime, that people love to decry Google as "being evil".

The fact is, there are gray areas. When it comes to government regulations, tech companies essentially have 2 options: comply or leave the country in question (note Google has already tried to lobby against the law in question). While "leave" sometimes is the only moral option, I totally disagree that this law warrants Google leaving Australia.

Re: Google will soon ask Australian users to show ID to view some content

#117

> Australian government forces Google to soon ask Australian users to show ID to view some content There, I fixed it. I'm getting tired of every headline trying to bash on Google/Facebook/etc. for clicks.

Google has a choice here. Just as they chose to not to do business in China.

I find it disingenuous to claim that one of the largest and most powerful companies in the world has no agency in this situation.

Remember how hard Google fought the Australian laws about search engines paying news organizations.

Not to say the Australian government is guilt-free here. There are no good guys here.

Re: Google will soon ask Australian users to show ID to view some content

#118

Although the title is correct, it's worth noting that Google is not doing this because it thinks it's fun to require verification. The Australian government is requiring google to take this action.

>"If our systems are unable to establish that a viewer is above the age of 18, we will request that they provide a valid ID or credit card to verify their age.” I don't think Google is complaining too much. Especially if it gives them an excuse to collect credit card data (reducing a significant amount of friction when they sell YouTube premium / google drive subscriptions).

The credit-card as a viable ID is hilarious. I don't have a CC nor do I want one. So I just used someone else's so that Google doesn't bitch when I want to watch an 18 plus video.

I do have a passport that everyone is legally required to have in this country but trying to upload a picture of that was a fucking nightmare so I said fuck it take these numbers you clowns. Now if I can do this I'm sure every kid on the planet can just take their mom's CC so what is the point of this law anyway?

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