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Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by kcb »

dncornholio wrote: post #32

I'm sorry for mentioning this but so far the content on HN about Ukraine has been of very low quality. Today only a 'call Russia' and a 'Putin is actually smart' post. I hoped to find many interesting developments, but HN has been awfully quiet on this war (for good reasons probably), but the content that has been posted has been mediocre IMHO.

Every post on the Russian Invasion of Ukraine is coopted by the same narratives. Whataboutism, US centric idea that everything in the world is because of the US, CNN brought up for no reason, someone trying to explain how literally everything is propaganda. It's boring.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by kcb »

decremental wrote: post #35

No one thought about or cared about Ukraine a month ago. Now it's everyone's greatest cause of their lives. Meanwhile, I'm certain there are many atrocities the ruling class isn't forcing your focus on that you don't care about at all. All of this feigned outrage is so fake.

No one cared about situation until situation escalated. You don't say.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by mullen »

rini17 wrote: post #46

I am from Czechoslovakia, trying to imagine what would happen in 1980s if people then were getting unexpected political calls from unknown foreigners. They would mostly assume it is a secret service provocation and react accordingly. Yes that's hard to believe for westerners that your own state would do such nasty stuff to you, but it was commonplace then. Shortwave radio station that is possible to tune to in Moscow…

> Shortwave radio station that is possible to tune to in Moscow and beyond, where they can listen to people they have known before, would have much bigger impact. Like Radio Free Europe did.

This is what should be done. Random people calling on the phone and trying to "tell you what's really happening" is not going to work, especially in a place like Russia. Shortwave radio is perfect for this.

The great thing about Shortwave radio is that radios are cheap, low powered and easy to hide. The infrastructure is already out there and due to the Cold War, Russians are already familiar with it.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by akira2501 »

malka wrote: post #66
tpoacher wrote: post #30

What a silly plan. Consider the reverse situation. You are a US citizen, and your phone randomly rings. On the other line, there is a guy speaking English with a heavy russian accent: "Hello. I call from Russia. This website I find ask me to call and inform you of real happenings in Ukraine. Your media full of lies. Trust me. Look. I have pen." Yeah I can totally see Americans taking up arms against their government…

The point is not to convince them. The point is to: * create noise in the telephone logbook to annoy the FSB. * create distrust toward the FSB. This would be the result of people getting arrested for receiving phone calls from the US.

So, it doesn't do any good and possibly gets innocent people hurt? And this is something I should take time out of my day to do?

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by thebean11 »

syngrog66 wrote: post #107
WinterMount223 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you okay with getting individuals possibly arrested in the name of a purported common good? You are no better than the FSB itself then.

Their country is killing thousands of innocent men, women, children, grandparents, babies etc. The West needs to prioritize on worrying about whats best for Ukraine, and saving their lives. Have more sympathy for them. Once Russia lays down arms and skidaddles back across their border perhaps we start feeling sympathy for the invaders then. What Russians need to do now is pick sides. Take a stand against Putin, or, l…

Very easy for us westerners to criticize Russians for not protesting. I wonder if you'd be protesting if you lived in a place where doing so could get you killed?

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by veganhouseDJ »

NoGravitas wrote: post #63
alkonaut wrote: post #56

Why aren't russians telling eachother? At least a fraction of russians read and trust trustworthy (international) news sources, but if their peers won't believe them, why would they believe me if I called them? Russia isn't North Korea. Yes there has been a tightening lately and all easily accessible media has been propaganda for a long time. But that doesn't mean any Russian can't - with some effort - consume a wide…

> Russians have a responsibility to protest the regime now, carrying the personal risk despite perhaps having little to no personal responsibility. Else they have the blood of Ukrainians on their hands. Back in 2003, Americans had a responsibility to protest the Bush regime. And hundreds of thousands of us did, but it didn't do a damn bit of good. We still have the blood of over one million Iraqis on our hands. Russi…

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Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by azangru »

xdennis wrote: post #91
tpoacher wrote: post #30

What a silly plan. Consider the reverse situation. You are a US citizen, and your phone randomly rings. On the other line, there is a guy speaking English with a heavy russian accent: "Hello. I call from Russia. This website I find ask me to call and inform you of real happenings in Ukraine. Your media full of lies. Trust me. Look. I have pen." Yeah I can totally see Americans taking up arms against their government…

Must Russians don't even know there's a war. Even a bad call could trigger some to look up what's happening.

> Must Russians don't even know there's a war.

How can you know this?

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by amelius »

tpoacher wrote: post #30

What a silly plan. Consider the reverse situation. You are a US citizen, and your phone randomly rings. On the other line, there is a guy speaking English with a heavy russian accent: "Hello. I call from Russia. This website I find ask me to call and inform you of real happenings in Ukraine. Your media full of lies. Trust me. Look. I have pen." Yeah I can totally see Americans taking up arms against their government…

I think we should ask some marketing genius on how to approach this one.

Robo-calling and having a recording say "the people are stronger than Putin", or something like that, could have an impact if people hear it often enough.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by archerx »

xwdv wrote: post #88
WinterMount223 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you okay with getting individuals possibly arrested in the name of a purported common good? You are no better than the FSB itself then.

Yes, we’re at war. The rules have changed.

You’re right, we should make the innocent suffer as much as possible!

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by gruez »

malka wrote: post #66
tpoacher wrote: post #30

What a silly plan. Consider the reverse situation. You are a US citizen, and your phone randomly rings. On the other line, there is a guy speaking English with a heavy russian accent: "Hello. I call from Russia. This website I find ask me to call and inform you of real happenings in Ukraine. Your media full of lies. Trust me. Look. I have pen." Yeah I can totally see Americans taking up arms against their government…

The point is not to convince them. The point is to: * create noise in the telephone logbook to annoy the FSB. * create distrust toward the FSB. This would be the result of people getting arrested for receiving phone calls from the US.

>* create distrust toward the FSB. This would be the result of people getting arrested for receiving phone calls from the US.

Feels like calls like these are pretty easy to filter out just by looking at the metadata (ie. random incoming call from the west). On the other hand random calls like this definitely fuels the "foreign interference" that the FSB is probably pushing right now, and would make it more trustworthy.

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