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Google Maps now requires WiFi scanning to use navigation

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Re: Google Maps now requires WiFi scanning to use navigation

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My access points are inaccessible to the public. You would have to trespass deep into my property. No one has any business knowing anything about my network or devices here.

so nobody will ever sniff them then. This is not an answer to the question.

Obviously they're concerned that their own phone will sniff them.

Re: Google Maps now requires WiFi scanning to use navigation

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Out of curiosity, has anyone ever been sued over their SSID?

We had one on our street called FuckOffAndGetYourOwn which I always liked

>We had one on our street called FuckOffAndGetYourOwn which I always liked

There was an SSID in my building called "Free Palestine." A couple years later, someone created another one called "The Shin Bet."[0]

I found that to be both disturbing and amusing. After the Muslim grad students on the third floor moved back to Australia, "Free Palestine" disappeared, and when the orthodox Jews moved out of the fourth floor, "The Shin Bet" went away too.

Now it's mostly boring, and while I may be doxxing myself (if you can see this SSID, reply here as we almost certainly live in the same building) but I still have the SSID GranMal (an ironic reference to this[1]).

Moral: Looking at SSIDs can be fun!

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_Bet

[1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6015645/

Re: Google Maps now requires WiFi scanning to use navigation

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A rapsberry pi, a drop dead simple shell script[1], and airbase[0] will get you this in 15 minutes: [0] https://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=airbase-ng [1] quickliest and dirtiest: #!/bin/bash while read line; do echo "creating basestation ${line}" airbase-ng -c 9 -e "${line}" -W 1 wlan0 & done

You should also randomize the BSSID.

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Re: Google Maps now requires WiFi scanning to use navigation

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Are you sure they're not doing this to get approximate location for use with A-GPS? Sure, GPS will work without it, but your time to first fix is going to be much longer, and your phone will have no idea where you are while you're waiting for that fix. There's a good overview of A-GPS in module 5 here [1]. This is just how people expect GPS to work on modern mobile phones, to the point where they'd probably consider…

I think cold start times on modern GPS units are on the order of 30 seconds now. Even if you lose all almanac and ephemeris data, and don't know what time it is. AGPS is nice (2s cold start times), but by no means essential for a decent user experience.

(The datasheets are not a lie. I have had a ZED-F9P on the shelf for a month or so. Plugged it in and had a fix in 32 seconds. The delay was that I could only see 3 GPS satellites, so had to fall back to the slightly slower multi-constellation warm start.)

Re: Google Maps now requires WiFi scanning to use navigation

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> to an open source implementation of those APIs Is this MicroG? https://microg.org/

No, microG is a partial reimplementation of some of the functionality in the Google Mobile Services (GMS) app. Unfortunately, this approach has significant drawbacks. In order to install microG, your version of Android OS needs support for spoofing the cryptographic signatures of apps. Some OSes like LineageOS and CalyxOS allow this. See [1] for some pointers about why this is considered harmful. There was also a rec…

Speaking of signatures, google play now requires developers to submit the private keys we used to sign apps with. Without submitting a key I can't issue updates. Out of protest I stopped pushing updates to apps via Google Play.

Re: Google Maps now requires WiFi scanning to use navigation

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> to an open source implementation of those APIs Is this MicroG? https://microg.org/

No, microG is a partial reimplementation of some of the functionality in the Google Mobile Services (GMS) app. Unfortunately, this approach has significant drawbacks. In order to install microG, your version of Android OS needs support for spoofing the cryptographic signatures of apps. Some OSes like LineageOS and CalyxOS allow this. See [1] for some pointers about why this is considered harmful. There was also a rec…

That article may be overstating the danger somewhat, it will depend on the way the ROM chooses to implement it certainly but none of them give the permission automatically, some require you to enable it deep in the advanced app settings and some only enable it for system-level privileged apps (and if you can't trust those, then what can you trust?). See for instance LineageOS for MicroG's claims:

>The signature spoofing could be an unsafe feature only if the user blindly gives any permission to any app, as this permission can't be obtained automatically by the apps. Moreover, to further strengthen the security of our ROM, we modified the signature spoofing permission so that only system privileged apps can obtain it, and no security threat is posed to our users.

https://lineage.microg.org/#faq7

Re: Google Maps now requires WiFi scanning to use navigation

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Organic Maps is the open source fork of Maps.me. It's very similar, but better maintained, and has less shady stuff

I like Organic Maps, just hoping for Android auto support.

Are there ANY alternatives to the live traffic data that Google Maps or Waze collect and provide? I know how to get around but I want to make sure that I don't get stuck on the highway. I have been looking for an alternative for many years.

Re: Google Maps now requires WiFi scanning to use navigation

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Out of curiosity, has anyone ever been sued over their SSID?

I have a neighbor whose SSID is itHurtsWhenIP. I've always liked that.

>I have a neighbor whose SSID is itHurtsWhenIP. I've always liked that.

While it may not be the source of your neighbor's SSID, It's certainly possible (maybe even likely) that it's a reference to this song[0].

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vmPwZT-9zY

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