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Belgian scientific base in Antarctica engulfed by Covid despite strict measures

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Re: Belgian scientific base in Antarctica engulfed by Covid despite strict measures

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What are your thoughts on the hospitalization of infected people? Hospitals are at capacity or overflowing.

not in England they aren't

Ehm.... If there not exactly at capacity, the trend isn't looking great.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas...

Re: Belgian scientific base in Antarctica engulfed by Covid despite strict measures

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Viruses are interesting things. I once enjoyed a case study about an outbreak of common cold on an Antarctic base that only happened after 17 weeks of isolation: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2130424/ (I'm no virologist but given that the common cold didn't seem to be impacted by the severe lockdowns in the UK at all, whereas flu was, I've gotten the - uneducated - feeling the cold is a bit like some S…

We've all got pneumonia in our lungs, which gain ascendancy when the body becomes weakened. It's been historically dubbed the "Old Man's Friend" because it would peacefully carry off someone who was suffering under some other terminal illness.

As someone who has had pneumonia, it's not an "Old Man's Friend".

There's nothing "peaceful" about pneumonia. It's a very frightening strangling feeling. The only thing "peaceful" about it is that you don't have the energy express the horror.

Re: Belgian scientific base in Antarctica engulfed by Covid despite strict measures

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Its almost like canceling all of humanity although it accomplishes extremely little but a CYA for the politicians is not the best way to handle this. Im sure when are fighting the 200th variant whose symptoms are a day of fatigue we will almost be ready to end the restrictions. And just for the record, im 2x vaccinated, not an antivaxxer or denier or something.

What are your thoughts on the hospitalization of infected people? Hospitals are at capacity or overflowing.

If you're not running your hospital near capacity, you're losing money.

Re: Belgian scientific base in Antarctica engulfed by Covid despite strict measures

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It's 100% about hospital capacity and mass death. When hospitals around the country are no longer turning away cancer patients needing treatments and have plenty of ICUs for heart attacks and such, when they no longer have to rent fleets of refrigerator trucks every outbreak to store the bodies, the restrictions will end. It has always been about that and nothing more.

How about scale up the hospitals, or at least covid capacity in a meaningful way. How long does they public have to bear burden of insufficient health infra. EDIT: Sorry that might have come off a bit blunt. But the entire pandemic response has been frustratingly insufficient in my opinion. A variant like Omicron was long predicted and expected. How are we not prepared with a plan to end lockdowns? And blaming unvacc…

The AMA doesn't want an oversupply of competition.

Re: Belgian scientific base in Antarctica engulfed by Covid despite strict measures

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If I've learned something about people during the pandemic, it's that the average person is far less intelligent and far less compliant than I previously believed. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to find out this was caused by people not complying with protocols. Or at the very least, not having an understanding of the fact that COVID transmission is aerosol, and that breathing reshared air even for a few secon…

Reminds me of the fact that you can fool people into believing the school system is effective, that a record number of tractors was produced, that the leader got elected with 96% of the vote, but you simply cannot fool people into thinking they aren't starving to death.

Not sure I follow. Haven't Trump and Bolsonaro et al done surprisingly well at convincing people they aren't dying?

Re: Belgian scientific base in Antarctica engulfed by Covid despite strict measures

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They could start by not terminating perfectly capable doctors and nurses who have decided, for whatever their reasons may be, to refuse vaccination. I’m vaccinated (and boosted) but I cannot understand why it was okay for these people to be on the frontlines of the fight for over a year but suddenly they are no longer acceptable. And I find no convincing argument as to why actually recovering from infection counts fo…

It’s pretty simple. They are more likely to get sick and more likely to infect those whose care they are entrusted with. There’s a long history of this type of sanction. If you are a provider or nurse in a hospital who fails to get a measles, hepatitis, or rabies (after exposure) shot, you’ll be terminated for cause in many places. The reason why recovery doesn’t “count” the same as vaccination is that immunity doesn…

> It’s pretty simple. They are more likely to get sick and more likely to infect those whose care they are entrusted with.

In a vacuum, that makes sense. But in the midst of genuine shortage of healthcare professionals, it's myopic foolishness. And I'd guess your comment about the lasting effect of actual recovery is going to turn out to be very wrong and already contradicts most everything I've seen recently regarding the immune response to reinfection after Covid recovery.

edit: Here are a few links that contradict your statement that immunity doesn't last very long:

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting...

https://www.futurity.org/covid-19-survivors-immunity-viruses...

Re: Belgian scientific base in Antarctica engulfed by Covid despite strict measures

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Doing scientific research confers some sort of control over the continent.

Article IV of the Treaty states in part, “No acts or activities taking place while the present Treaty is in force shall constitute a basis for asserting, supporting or denying a claim to territorial sovereignty in Antarctica or create any rights of sovereignty in Antarctica.” https://www.asoc.org/advocacy/antarctic-governance/overview-...

The countries claiming a slice of the pie aren't signatories to that treaty.

Re: Belgian scientific base in Antarctica engulfed by Covid despite strict measures

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post #54

Its almost like canceling all of humanity although it accomplishes extremely little but a CYA for the politicians is not the best way to handle this. Im sure when are fighting the 200th variant whose symptoms are a day of fatigue we will almost be ready to end the restrictions. And just for the record, im 2x vaccinated, not an antivaxxer or denier or something.

Why do you feel like you have to qualify your comment by disclosing your vaccination status?

Surely that shouldn’t dictate whether you’re allowed to express your thoughts on a subject or the factual accuracy of your statements.

Re: Belgian scientific base in Antarctica engulfed by Covid despite strict measures

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post #95

Viruses are interesting things. I once enjoyed a case study about an outbreak of common cold on an Antarctic base that only happened after 17 weeks of isolation: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2130424/ (I'm no virologist but given that the common cold didn't seem to be impacted by the severe lockdowns in the UK at all, whereas flu was, I've gotten the - uneducated - feeling the cold is a bit like some S…

If I get really low on sleep I’ll usually develop a cold, even if I haven’t been around anyone that’s had one in some time. I feel like there’s a lot to virology we don’t have a good grasp on.

High stress can sometimes trigger certain common cold symptoms even in the absence of an active viral infection. Unless the virus has actually been cultured you can't be certain what's happening in your body.

I do a lot of scuba diving. There are many anecdotal reports of divers who briefly experience cold / flu symptoms after failing to decompress correctly. The popular hypothesis is that tiny bubbles in the bloodstream trigger an inflammatory immune response, but who knows?

Re: Belgian scientific base in Antarctica engulfed by Covid despite strict measures

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They had 1000 community cases today https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/...

Since vaccinating they’ve relaxed restrictions

And poorly behaved DJs aside, it’s going ok.

Time will tell if the policies in place will deal with Omicron, though.

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