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Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by edmundsauto » Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 8:09 PM UTC

kQq9oHeAz6wLLS wrote: post #81

parkingrift wrote: post #33

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I disagree. I think the endgame is clear in the US. Most states have dropped all restrictions and those that haven’t will suffer economically and politically until they drop their restrictions. The only question is how much economic and political suffering individual cities and states will tolerate. Virginia voters threw out their entire Democrat government and governor and will likely join the list of states banning…

You've been downvoted, but you're not wrong. Witness the number of people who have left California.

According to a UC study last summer, there hasn't been an abnormal number of people leaving California. https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/press-room/uc-studies...

"Despite California losing a congressional seat for the first time in history due to slow population growth and some high-profile technology companies and billionaires leaving the state, there is no evidence of an abnormal increase in residents planning to move out of the state"

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by mint2 » Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 8:09 PM UTC

tonguez wrote: post #102

ceejayoz wrote: post #69

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My kids' mental health would be pretty heavily impacted by the death of their grandparents. A pretty large number of kids are raised by "the old", too. https://www.prb.org/resources/more-u-s-children-raised-by-gr...

your kids mental health might also be impacted by seeing a horror movie… that does not compare to being locked inside and unable to socialize for 2 years

Are you comparing seeing a horror movie to people’s close relatives dying… ?

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by oh_sigh » Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 8:09 PM UTC

DanBC wrote: post #58

mikeyouse wrote: post #2

Finally some glimmers of hope in moving past Covid.. if Omicron continues on its current track of highly infectious but less serious —- and infection confers reactive immunity to a variety of strains, we could be closer to the endemic but manageable end game. Good vaccines + mild severity illness are basically the best case. What a stroke of luck that we are here vs a more infectious strain of Delta or some other nig…

> a more infectious strain of Delta What? Omicron is a more infectious version of Delta. Omicron causes the same number of deaths and hospitalisations and long covid as delta. It just also infects a lot more people more easily, and those people are at low risk and push the CFR down.

Omicron isn't a version of Delta.

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by 2muchcoffeeman » Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 8:09 PM UTC

Amezarak wrote: post #10

mikeyouse wrote: post #2

Finally some glimmers of hope in moving past Covid.. if Omicron continues on its current track of highly infectious but less serious —- and infection confers reactive immunity to a variety of strains, we could be closer to the endemic but manageable end game. Good vaccines + mild severity illness are basically the best case. What a stroke of luck that we are here vs a more infectious strain of Delta or some other nig…

The question ever since it became clear that this coronavirus was endemic has been what a "manageable end game" is: that is, what level of risk and mortality are we prepared to accept, given that deaths from Covid will never be zero. This is, in my opinion, the primary underlying disagreement. Some people think that no amount of deaths from Covid is acceptable. Some people believe that even the peak pandemic mortalit…

I agree that in most countries this is the underlying disagreement. I wonder if we thought this through at a global community though.

Imagine if China didn’t or couldn’t pursue a zero covid policy. What happens when the world’s manufacturer closes? We’ve already seen huge supply chain issues.

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by Consultant32452 » Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 8:10 PM UTC

phonypc wrote: post #59

Consultant32452 wrote: post #35

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Boys at least appear to be more in danger from the vaccine than the virus. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/10/boys-more-at-r...

No they don't. The study that article references is hot garbage. https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/dumpster-diving-in-vaers-do...

85% of VAERS reports are made by physicians. 100% are validated by the CDC.

What’s important is to disqualify the best information available so you just have to accept vague assertions from authority.

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by ceejayoz » Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 8:11 PM UTC

tonguez wrote: post #102

ceejayoz wrote: post #69

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My kids' mental health would be pretty heavily impacted by the death of their grandparents. A pretty large number of kids are raised by "the old", too. https://www.prb.org/resources/more-u-s-children-raised-by-gr...

your kids mental health might also be impacted by seeing a horror movie… that does not compare to being locked inside and unable to socialize for 2 years

> that does not compare to being locked inside and unable to socialize for 2 years

Good thing my kids haven't been subjected to that, despite being in a blue area of a blue state (New York).

Being angry about imaginary restrictions is silly. There's nowhere in the world kids have been "locked inside" for two years.

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by epgui » Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 8:13 PM UTC

bcrosby95 wrote: post #109

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And from my point of view as someone in the field, arguments on either side are almost always based on an intuitive gut feeling about morality. Very few people actually try to wrangle with putting numbers on the cost (in dollars) of a human life, or the economic burden of disease. There are no right or wrong numbers, but only if you begin there can you say you're rationally considering the economic or political trade…

Depending upon the specific agency, agencies in the USA value a statistical life at anywhere from $7-$10 million.

As a Canadian, I usually use the US DoT numbers (in the same ballpark as what you said) for my mental maths. A couple extra things to consider:

- what’s the date on these figures?

- can we extrapolate this to other countries?

- are these figures generally accepted, or are they controversial?

- how do you account for age, sex (differences in life expectancy, child bearing capacity, etc), education level or professional skill, etc?

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by ceejayoz » Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 8:13 PM UTC

daenz wrote: post #96

ceejayoz wrote: post #69

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My kids' mental health would be pretty heavily impacted by the death of their grandparents. A pretty large number of kids are raised by "the old", too. https://www.prb.org/resources/more-u-s-children-raised-by-gr...

And here's the impact of how we've treated children during the pandemic: >The pandemic then brought on physical isolation, ongoing uncertainty, fear and grief. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention researchers quantified that toll in several reports. They found between March and October 2020, emergency department visits for mental health emergencies rose by 24% for children ages 5-11 years and 31% for children a…

Zero of those mental health emergencies were due to the death of a loved one, right? It's all because of masks in schools and whatnot?

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by smugglerFlynn » Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 8:15 PM UTC

lotsofpulp wrote: post #105

standardUser wrote: post #49

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The primary concern form day one has been the capacity of our healthcare systems. "Peak pandemic mortality" includes scores of people dying from unrelated illness due to lack of care. Does anyone truly think its acceptable to let people die in ambulances outside of hospitals because a highly contagious disease filled all the hospital beds and medical staff is too fatigued to work? Maybe people with a political axe to…

> Does anyone truly think its acceptable to let people die in ambulances outside of hospitals because a highly contagious disease filled all the hospital beds and medical staff is too fatigued to work? Maybe people with a political axe to grind pretend to think that. Given widespread availability of vaccines, I think it is acceptable to turn away any non vaccinated people without medical exemptions to preserve hospit…

Will it be you turning these people away?

Always puzzles me to see people suggesting all these “just let them die” silver bullet algorithms.

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by epgui » Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 8:15 PM UTC

chana_masala wrote: post #97

lern_too_spel wrote: post #57

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The policy question this answers is whether to vaccinate children who have previously been infected, not whether to vaccinate children who have never been infected. The best decision for the latter group remains vaccination.

Children have nearly no risk of complications with covid vs. quite a large risk with the vaccine.

This is unequivocally incorrect.