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Defund the Police meets the crime wave
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Re: Defund the Police meets the crime wave
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Try to rob me or hurt my family - be carried away in a body bag. If the criminal expects you to be armed, they'll just shoot first, before you even have the chance to reach your weapons. Remember they have the surprise on their side. This expectation should by itself increase violent crime and turn violent crimes that wouldn't be.
That's what conceal weapons permits are for. Criminals won't know and every attempt to do stupid thing might mean the end of them. If wanabe robbers expect citizens to be armed and legally able to protect themselves and their loved ones - they will think twice if it worth dying for $100.
They don't have to know. They just assume and kill everyone before they have a chance to defend themselves. From their point of view, it's simple and neat. Remember it's always them surprising their victims, not the other way around.
Re: Defund the Police meets the crime wave
#113I read most of the article, in which the author implies that defunding the police increases crime, and blames the people in charge of Oakland with this crime. Yet I recalled hearing that police budgets in Oakland were steady to up this year, despite the protests. A quick search seems to confirm this: https://www.ktvu.com/news/oakland-didnt-cut-any-money-from-t... >Despite claims to the contrary, the Oakland City Coun…
The main item in certain states is not prosecuting crime. We recently had a smash and grab robbery that made news here in SoCal. The suspects were quickly apprehended, but it turns out they were released on bail almost immediately afterwards. Due to the non-prosecution of criminal acts, these people will probably never do any jail time. People are definitely cognizant of this at this point, and it's eroding peoples t…
Are you sure they won't be prosecuted? The point of requiring bail is to make sure they show up for court appearances, isn't it?
Re: Defund the Police meets the crime wave
#114I read most of the article, in which the author implies that defunding the police increases crime, and blames the people in charge of Oakland with this crime. Yet I recalled hearing that police budgets in Oakland were steady to up this year, despite the protests. A quick search seems to confirm this: https://www.ktvu.com/news/oakland-didnt-cut-any-money-from-t... >Despite claims to the contrary, the Oakland City Coun…
I think it is that the movement itself has caused crime to increase. My friend is a police officer and is moving out of my progressive state to a more conservative one. He told me this is happening in nearly every department. His reasoning was that they use to feel like they were on the side of the community, but in many places it is now the community is opposed to the police. Also they don’t risk certain things beca…
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Re: Defund the Police meets the crime wave
#115No police defunding has actually happened though, so I'm fairly confident that that doesn't explain the increase in violent crime, much less the DECREASE in property crime [0].
[0] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/16/upshot/murder-crime-trend...
Re: Defund the Police meets the crime wave
#116i think it's worth pointing out giving the still semi-inflammatory nature of the headline, no serious advocate of defunding the police has ever suggested that simply doing that is the goal. the idea is to shift funding from cops walking around with guns killing people to things that actually prevent crime from happening, and as the piece points out, even in the few places that have actually reduced funding to police,…
'Defund' is far more inflammatory than alternative phrasing.
RE-form the Police -- this is a movement I can more readily support and I hope is self descriptive and accurate. Police departments have become alienated from communities because they are no longer about the mission to protect and serve the common people and the commons; they have instead become yet another type of organization using violence for control. The videogame Crackdown got that right many years ago.
As horrid as the Japanese justice system is about the presumption of guilt; their practice of neighborhood officers and community involvement seem like positive traits that should be copied in the USA and elsewhere as one facet of improving the positive interaction of peace officers and the community.
Re: Defund the Police meets the crime wave
#117It's not the de-funding or firing of police causing this.
It's the general announcement that everyone is on-board with de-funding the police that is causing it. You tell everyone that the police are not needed? What do you think the crime prone are going to react with? More crime.
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#118Walking and spraying multiple houses... I was surprise there was no return fire, then I saw it was CA.
> I was surprise there was no return fire, then I saw it was CA. I'm in CA and am surrounded by neighbors with guns, for better or worse. If you think CA is devoid of gun owners you're sorely mistaken.
Not devoid, but lower prevalence with tighter restrictions. Quite a few have moved out over the years, or chosen not to move there in the first place.
For example, approximately 1 in 10 adults in PA have a license to carry a firearm. Compared to about 70k CA CCW in a population of about 39M people (didn't find adults only). CA also mandates that guns be stored locked up and unloaded when not on their person. This can prevent some of the safes or lock boxes designed for rapid deployment.
Re: Defund the Police meets the crime wave
#119I read most of the article, in which the author implies that defunding the police increases crime, and blames the people in charge of Oakland with this crime. Yet I recalled hearing that police budgets in Oakland were steady to up this year, despite the protests. A quick search seems to confirm this: https://www.ktvu.com/news/oakland-didnt-cut-any-money-from-t... >Despite claims to the contrary, the Oakland City Coun…
Actual instances of police funding being reduced are so rare that the author reaches for incidents of low police-citizen interaction following controversial police-on-citizen violence as evidence of what a straw-man version of "defund the police" advocates for. "Defund the police" has to be the most poorly conceived political slogan of all time. It sounds more like a pejorative its opponents came up with.
The article he cites is from a June 24 bill that redirected $17 million from that police budget to violence prevention programs [1]
[1] https://abc7news.com/oakland-police-funding-city-council-cut...
Re: Defund the Police meets the crime wave
#120You get what you pay for.
Except they're still paying for it and the police weren't defunded https://www.ktvu.com/news/oakland-didnt-cut-any-money-from-t...
Threatening to defund the police generally lowers the quality of your existing police. Pretend you run a business and say you are cutting salaries. Employees will look for other jobs or just be demotivated in general. Couple that with an increasing hostile work environment, you have the situation at hand.
Do you work as hard when you know management is gunning for your job?