Keeping it simple got the job done:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/21/drone-search-w...
Drone operator will try to rescue dogs from Spanish volcano
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Re: Drone operator will try to rescue dogs from Spanish volcano
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Well, I didn't mean it as some kind of grand cosmic spiritual picture or anything. Frankly, I am not sure what made you believe that. In any case, what I meant was that while individual efforts matter, they're dwarfed by de facto policy, formal or not. And, implicitly, that I am more than a tiny bit annoyed by people who desperately try to offset anyone's efforts just because they can. Consume, consume, consume. As b…
You said that efforts to relieve the plight of animals "doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things" , but I disagree with you, as helping one animal is meaningful. I don't understand how you can believe that animals as a whole deserve better without also believing that each animal deserves better. You now brought up a separate issue, which seems to be rooted in a philosophical disagreement. If you think the…
You cannot quote me saying animal suffering doesn't matter. That's not even remotely what I said. Please don't do this.
Yes, I firmly believe my own efforts are easily offset by pretty much any of my peers who don't share my concerns. That's about 99 people out of 100, if that. I cannot seriously consider doing anything as "virtuous". Not a word I'd use unironically. We're just doing what we like. That's my take on it.
Re: Drone operator will try to rescue dogs from Spanish volcano
#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, I didn't mean it as some kind of grand cosmic spiritual picture or anything. Frankly, I am not sure what made you believe that. In any case, what I meant was that while individual efforts matter, they're dwarfed by de facto policy, formal or not. And, implicitly, that I am more than a tiny bit annoyed by people who desperately try to offset anyone's efforts just because they can. Consume, consume, consume. As b…
> while individual efforts matter, they're dwarfed by de facto policy, formal or not. My point is that "individual efforts" is really the only thing that exists. Policies and other structures are emergent properties of individual efforts. There is no change at the policy level that ultimately is not initiated by individuals doing things. A government or corporation has no independent physical embodiment. It's all mad…
Oh, I know. But I have realized this war cannot be won for the right reasons. The vast majority of people not only have zero concern for animals we use for food, they will actively fight cultured meat and stuff like that for years and years. The war hasn't even begun!
I believe things will change due to economics. Expecting the great masses to "do the right thing" is not going to work because not everyone shares your values on this topic. Price, quality and availability is what is going to drive change for some animal species.
Re: Drone operator will try to rescue dogs from Spanish volcano
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Good idea. I'm not sure why drone charging stations with auto landing pads aren't a commerically sold product yet. I've seen a lot of implementations in masters theses and stuff. If your robot vaccum can do it, your drone can do it.
Autel recently announced one: http://autelrobotics.com/productdetail/6.html
Cool!
Re: Drone operator will try to rescue dogs from Spanish volcano
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It's not clear that many of these efforts are good at all. A classic example is feeding stray cats. That just increases the carrying capacity so you're creating more stray cats and even more will be hungry. Exterminate cows to prevent cow suffering? Or farm them to maximize their population?
I mean that's fair, but we're talking about airlifting some poor dogs with a cool drone, not exactly a common thing that will lead to long term problems.
Sure. Not saying this case is harmful to animal welfare, but the idea of anything that seems immediately good being actually good, even a little bit, isn't generally true.
Re: Drone operator will try to rescue dogs from Spanish volcano
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I'm imagining three skeptical dogs. One cautiously enters the net. The other dogs watch as the first is lifted and flown away. I wonder what the other two dogs would think then. Hopefully they'd see that anywhere else is better than where they've been stuck. And I guess drones have been dropping food so they would have at least some positive experience with drones in the past.
Relevant PBF? https://pbfcomics.com/comics/the-jubilee/
Haha this is extremely relevant, I love it.