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Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by Randosaurus »

da_big_ghey wrote: post #61
devwastaken wrote: post #33

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People are okay with that because they're in a position to not have to care. Perhaps apple is correct in that this was because of deleting things they were not supposed to - but individuals advocating for a culture of "apple can do whatever because it's a company" is nodding along to union busting talking points. Tech sector has been very fortunate in the past to not have to unionize, but now as the workforce grows e…

If I am in top 1% worker, and if union is generally flatten the salaries to make me receive less for others more, why should I not "nodding along on union busting talking points"? I like my very very large paycheck.

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Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by klyrs »

krrrh wrote: post #105
klyrs wrote: post #101

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Funny thing about unions. If you form your own union, you get to write the rules. The agreement with the employer is a matter of negotiation, but the operation of the union is entirely the prerogative of the union as long as it's legal. Don't want to operate a holywood-style guild? Then don't.

In reality most unions dominate their industry to the point of monopoly.

In reality there are almost no unions operating in tech spaces. The world is our oyster, and the only way to let huge unions into the industry is by voting them in. It's a space ripe for disruption.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by koonsolo »

WORMS_EAT_WORMS wrote: post #92
prepend wrote: post #14

I guess I’m just old school but I come from a time when I’d be fired for any negative public or even internal comments. And I’m ok with that. I’d rather just quit than try to change a company this way. Or I’d just work into leadership and make executive decisions. Or I’d start a company and do it my way. I just don’t see leadership being convinced by me complaining on Twitter or starting an internal complaint slack c…

I wish I could go back in time and tell a younger version of myself the steps needed to work at a FAANG. I unfortunately never had the right guidance to get there and hopefully my kids one day will. I can’t complain as things worked out —- but still. I see these employee issues pop up from time to time and I guess I just don’t understand it. I’m not trying to be cruel to the people speaking out. Just I truly don’t un…

Why do you want to be a little cog in a huge machine?

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by WORMS_EAT_WORMS »

tjpnz wrote: post #109
WORMS_EAT_WORMS wrote: post #92

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I wish I could go back in time and tell a younger version of myself the steps needed to work at a FAANG. I unfortunately never had the right guidance to get there and hopefully my kids one day will. I can’t complain as things worked out —- but still. I see these employee issues pop up from time to time and I guess I just don’t understand it. I’m not trying to be cruel to the people speaking out. Just I truly don’t un…

>Ungodly money. Based on my own experience (albeit outside the US) the salaries don't differ much from their non-FAANG counterparts at the top of the market.

Are you really trying to make this argument?

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by KingOfCoders »

koonsolo wrote: post #113
WORMS_EAT_WORMS wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish I could go back in time and tell a younger version of myself the steps needed to work at a FAANG. I unfortunately never had the right guidance to get there and hopefully my kids one day will. I can’t complain as things worked out —- but still. I see these employee issues pop up from time to time and I guess I just don’t understand it. I’m not trying to be cruel to the people speaking out. Just I truly don’t un…

Why do you want to be a little cog in a huge machine?

Free food.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by judge2020 »

paganel wrote: post #70
lowkey_ wrote: post #8

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That's just there for the sympathetic headlines — she deleted Google Drive as well, and we can all easily imagine what that suggests. I think a good rule as an employee is "if instructed to hand over your phone as part of an investigation, don't delete stuff before doing so."

> don't delete stuff before doing so. I would certainly delete personal information if present on said phone, don't want some other corporate freaks to go through my stuff. Fuck it, I would have done it if instead of Apple it had been the Securitate (I'm from Romania, grew up as a kid in the '80s), and come to think of it this advice of "obey your corporate masterlords" is kind of depressing in itself. We don't have…

It's a mistake to have personal information on the phone in the first place. Deleting such could be obstruction of the internal investigation at best, and destroying evidence at worse (remember that you don't decide what's admissible as evidence, the courts do).

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by KingOfCoders »

TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #53
nradov wrote: post #44

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Apple only has 80K employees. As countries go, that's a pretty small one.

As GDP's go, Apple is the 8th largest country on earth by market cap. I know this is a bad equivalency, but they have VASTLY outsized influence with those 80,000 employees because of the wealth they generate. With recent moves like Walmart creating in-house health care options, and Salesforce offering to move people out of Texas because of their abortion laws, our late-stage capitalism is morphing into the cyberpunk…

The market cap of a country (with people, companies, land, resourc s,...) is 10-100x it's GDP, just like the market cap of companies has a multiplier over its revenue.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by y7 »

prepend wrote: post #14

I guess I’m just old school but I come from a time when I’d be fired for any negative public or even internal comments. And I’m ok with that. I’d rather just quit than try to change a company this way. Or I’d just work into leadership and make executive decisions. Or I’d start a company and do it my way. I just don’t see leadership being convinced by me complaining on Twitter or starting an internal complaint slack c…

Not being harassed at your workplace should be the norm, not some luxury benefit that you move to a different company for. Pressure for better working conditions always comes from workers themselves, rather than management, because the priorities are simply different.

I'm assuming you come from a time where strong unions were still a thing. They were a hard-won victory for workers' rights, and a necessity to improve working conditions. Without them, any complaining employee was simply fired, because it's much cheaper for the organization to fire a few employees than to acquiesce to their demands. The latter is precisely what's happening here.

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by worrycue »

kashkhan wrote: post #32
prepend wrote: post #14

I guess I’m just old school but I come from a time when I’d be fired for any negative public or even internal comments. And I’m ok with that. I’d rather just quit than try to change a company this way. Or I’d just work into leadership and make executive decisions. Or I’d start a company and do it my way. I just don’t see leadership being convinced by me complaining on Twitter or starting an internal complaint slack c…

dynamics are different if the company is small or big. It's like asking a person to leave a country, instead of trying to make it better. "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -JFK

Well it’s our country but it isn’t your company …

Re: Apple fires leader of AppleToo movement

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Post by cybernautique »

angry_octet wrote: post #80
da_big_ghey wrote: post #49

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Its not criticism that is any problem. Its going to press to try to force some change when you are not getting entirely your way. This is a bad thing. Correct answer if this person was seriously in the interest of Apple would be write letters to shareholders/board if management has ignore the concern.

This is, again, the view that the institution is always right, an outmoded and discredited viewpoint.

I'd like to propose a constructive and highly novel perspective: I, me alone, am correct. Yours is, once again, an outmoded and discredited viewpoint.
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