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Re: Firefox Suggest (address bar based ads, currently limited to US)

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Post by blindmute » Fri, Oct 08, 2021, 1:52 PM UTC

theHIDninja wrote: post #3

I have considered the owners and maintainers of Firefox to be malicious to the project for quite some time now. This finally cements that theory beyond any reasonable doubt. What should we do about it?

Nothing we can do but fork or switch. I'll stay on Firefox, bearing it, until they do something like this that I can't turn off. As soon as it ceases to be an option, I'm gone. It shouldn't be opt out but it's still the best browser for privacy, for now.

Re: Firefox Suggest (address bar based ads, currently limited to US)

#112

Post by corobo » Fri, Oct 08, 2021, 2:48 PM UTC

IanSanders wrote: post #110

corobo wrote: post #86

Mozilla please just give us a Firefox Pro that costs a few quid a month I make basically all my income via Firefox indirectly.. if you want a slice just ask for it, don't be creepy

They will end up trying to have their cake and eat it, taking money from both places. And after news like this one, many users would not want to support them, understandably. They lost a big chunk of valuable (but not financially) user trust. It's really tricky to regain it, they would have to take a leap of faith, do "the right thing", and hope users will believe. Or maybe we need to fork it and crowdfund (crowdhire…

If they did that then people would stop using the pro version.

Regarding the fork part I'm not sure who we is but I'm not interested in making a web browser

Re: Firefox Suggest (address bar based ads, currently limited to US)

#113

Post by hjek » Sun, Oct 10, 2021, 1:17 AM UTC

hanniabu wrote: post #17

For revenue they should sell naming rights to their release versions like stadium naming rights. The name will also be in the executable "Firefox: vX.X TikTok"

Is that what Google have been doing with Android? (Kitkat, Oreo, ...)

Re: Firefox Suggest (address bar based ads, currently limited to US)

#114

Post by bscphil » Sun, Oct 10, 2021, 8:44 AM UTC

kymaz wrote: post #56

A phoenix is born from the ashes of its past. Mozilla the browser was considered bloated by some and that led to a cleaner browser, a firebird if you will. This is just another indicator we're past due for another cycle of fire.

Late replying, but who exactly do you think is going to lead this? Firefox is so bloated at this point precisely because there's a mandate to make it fast and support new web features. There are so many Rust dependencies that I can't even build Firefox on a computer with "only" 16 GB of RAM because it runs out of memory while compiling gkrust and freezes the computer or hangs the build.

Starting from scratch doesn't have a chance at this point. The web is too complex for a volunteer team to build a brand new browser. So the only option is a fork of Firefox, but most of the people who have the time, energy, and ability to work on fully understanding the Firefox code base probably work for Mozilla.

Re: Firefox Suggest (address bar based ads, currently limited to US)

#115

Post by IanSanders » Mon, Oct 11, 2021, 9:22 AM UTC

corobo wrote: post #112

IanSanders wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They will end up trying to have their cake and eat it, taking money from both places. And after news like this one, many users would not want to support them, understandably. They lost a big chunk of valuable (but not financially) user trust. It's really tricky to regain it, they would have to take a leap of faith, do "the right thing", and hope users will believe. Or maybe we need to fork it and crowdfund (crowdhire…

If they did that then people would stop using the pro version. Regarding the fork part I'm not sure who we is but I'm not interested in making a web browser

"We" implies people interested in financially supporting to-be-ex firefox developers directly