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Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

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Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

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post #52

Yes!! Finally. And the next generation of freenet is maidsafe. Many people on HN are unaware of most of these things. Tor still has sites hosted on a server. Dat and IPFS still have IP addresses of swarm peers. Freenet and SAFE network don’t.

Freenet is not affiliated with Maidsafe.

That’s correct!

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

#112
post #52

Yes!! Finally. And the next generation of freenet is maidsafe. Many people on HN are unaware of most of these things. Tor still has sites hosted on a server. Dat and IPFS still have IP addresses of swarm peers. Freenet and SAFE network don’t.

In what ways does maidsafe improve upon freenet?

Far far more advanced — it splits data into chunks, encrypts it end to end, uses a Kademlia DHT which removes the IP addresses after the first hop so no one can find all the nodes, has consensus about the files and their evolution, and uses later cryptographic primitives like BLS keys etc. etc.

https://safenetforum.org/t/maidsafe-vs-freenet-i2p-ipfs/9409

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

#113
post #55

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> which got us Trump and the current antivax movement I think that you are stretching it a bit here. Claiming that individualism is responsible for that seems unsubstantiated.

It’s a stretch to blame “absolute rights” for Trump’s election. That can be placed pretty solidly on xenophobia.

The anti-maskers? The only reason those guys think they have a case is exactly because they think bodily autonomy has no limits.

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

#114

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My understanding is that: -- i2p was originally a fork of freenet -- Freenet was designed and conceived as a datastore, fist and foremost, whereas i2p using 'garlic routing' was apt for any IP protocol proxied over it (a bit like tor) -- Freenet therefore is more efficient and distributing popular data -- There are some concerns about the algoirthms behind freenet's anonymity, which i2p claims [1] are troublesome. --…

You're not likely to find child porn on Tor anymore unless you go looking for it. It's there, because Tor is much bigger than Freenet and I2P, but it's out the way. The hidden wikis were all cleaned up years ago. I bet the drug marketplaces thought it was bad for business to be listed alongside that sort of thing. Freenet is the same as it ever was. I don't think you could play around on there and not find that stuff…

> Freenet is the same as it ever was. I don't think you could play around on there and not find that stuff. Dunno what's going on on I2P these days.

You're very unlikely to find it unless you're looking for it, none of the default indexes allow it.

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

#115

Some HN users are stuck in an interesting privacy paradox. Most of the time when a company or government tries to undermine privacy or encryption they jump at the throat and point out the need for both. However, it seems when we actually accomplish those goals and create systems that are truly anonymous, private and/or encrypted they basically say it's only for criminals and child abuse.

One problem is that the privacy invading and censorous systems work 99% of the time ... sucking away most of the market, which is boring usage, and leave the alternatives concentrated in "other stuff", much of which is undesirable.

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

#116
post #60
post #39

Is this comparable to IPFS running on I2P?

Freenet feels very similar to IPFS, but it differs under the hood. On Freenet the network itself is the data store, you don't host your own files, you upload them and they spread over the network. If you go offline, the files still remain on the network. On IPFS on the other side you are storing your own files and the network is just used for lookup and caching. Everything on Freenet is also encrypted, so you don't g…

Freenet uses convergent encryption, so you do get deduplication.

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

#117
post #97

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I’d bet you and I both would agree that we don’t like people who recklessly put themselves in a situation where they are at extreme risk to catch or spread COVID. If we were to have a forum that criticized people who won’t vaccinate, won’t distance, won’t wear protective masks, and promote unproven treatments would that be a “hate group?”

Yes. I visited /r/hermancainaward the other day becsuse I wanted to check it out, and I was stunned at how hateful the comments were against people who, sadly, had opinions that lead to their death. I was sad that people could be so misinformed/misled, but the subreddit seemed genuinely happy that these people died. That sounds very much like a hate group to me, and I'd like to see it as banned as fatpeoplehate (whic…

> I was stunned at how hateful the comments were against people who, sadly, had opinions that lead to their death.

And yet Reddit management is ok with it.

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

#118

…and its development has been exponentially decaying to zero for years. Mostly because of unsolved social problems (uneducated public doesn't understand they need real anonymous systems, and happily use corporate junk marketed as “private and secure”, while educated public dreams about making the next fart button app for the millions, and selling their data), but also because readily accessible public network gives t…

> uneducated public doesn't understand they need real anonymous systems I really don't like this wording. How are you so sure that they NEED real anonymous systems? I understand the value of privacy, but I don't think I get to dictate what other people NEED.

Some time ago, some people believed they needed a glass of wine, a ten course meal, and a charming beauty to whom to read poems, and that those backwards peasants in the fields could understand none of these needs, and only needed to get whipped regularly, just in case.

So I'm all for dictating that everyone need everything.

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

#119

Still haven solved the CSAM problem, so the public servers are off limits. The private infrastructure solution always looked interesting to me, but I'm missing any actual application ideas for that?

I've been using Freenet for 12 years and have not run into CSAM involuntarily, and of course also not voluntarily!

So I don't know how you get the impression that "public servers are off limits"?

It is possible that CSAM exists in certain forums on Freenet which might indicate the specific goal of sharing CSAM by their name.

But if it were to be posted into non-CSAM forums then the community's web of trust would flag it as spam and thus make it disappear. So you're unlikely to just run into CSAM involuntarily.

Also, IMHO saying "public / private servers" in the context of Freenet is wrong because Freenet is not organized into "servers". Basically the whole of Freenet is connected into one big public network.

And it addresses files, not machines: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28588336

"Private" happens in terms of a file being "private" if you don't share the link to it with anyone.

(A separate Freenet network which is fully private would be possible if every participant configures his instance to not connect to the outside. But one participant disobeying that and it is not private anymore, so it's unlikely that such networks exist.)

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

#120
post #110

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You can't see any use case for a private and censorship-resistant publishing platform that isn't illegal? Okay, pretending for a moment that privacy and censorship-resistance aren't good ends unto themselves: Whistleblowing, publishing something perfectly legal but which political or corporate interests don't want published, and publishing or reading LGBT+ content in a political, social, or family situation that woul…

Does this actually solve those cases though? If I run one of these in China and talk about the Uighur genocide am I actually safe? Not being sassy I'm actually wondering.

It would definitely be safer to discuss that topic on Freenet than on Weibo or WeChat. China requires websites to be licensed,* so the typical self-hosting route isn't viable.

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICP_license

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