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Re: Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in 24 hours

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In similar news the well-known direct democracy of Switzerland just voted a new rule giving police similar surveillance powers without judicial oversight. So it's obviously the people wishing to be better surveilled and we're the outliers here.

This is why I've always had doubts about direct democracy. Most people are idiots who scare easily and whose views should not be considered.

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post #68

There and New Zealand both. The responses (extreme lockdown) of both countries to Covid has been nothing short of insane.

New Zealand's (as you describe it) "extreme lockdown" has worked. When dealing with a pandemic you are supposed to limit potential exposure, and their actions did that.

As a result NZ has had one of the lowest infection rates in the world. Also, those actions let them "return to normal" quicker then anywhere else.

It worked.

Perhaps you feel that the mid-evil practice of nailing the doors and windows shut and posting a guard outside of a quarantine house, would be more reasonable? Pray that the village stays safe while the sick were imprisoned?

People were inconvenienced. Nothing more.

Re: Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in 24 hours

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I'm most curious about what they mean by "ADDING" data...

Does this mean the police can create a social media account in your name? Imagine for instance that they suspect one of your family members of tax evasion. Can they create a fake social media account or email account registered to you, and impersonate you for the sake of entrapping someone else? Like hey uncle, love your new car, got any hot accounting tips? I don't even see anything in these laws that says the person whose data they're accessing has to be the target of the investigation.

Imagine if at any time in any chat, even with your partner or parent or child, you couldn't know whether you were actually talking with them or a government agent, perhaps because someone they know is tangentially suspected of a crime - without the matter even being brought before a judge. Terrifying. This is how societies turn into places where everyone is completely fearful of saying anything at all.

Re: Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in 24 hours

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post #85
post #54

Reminds me of anti-free speech laws that was almost passed in France. It was designed to help fight « hate speech ». It enable police to remove literally ANY content from the interne t as long as it was « hateful » of course there is no legal definition of hateful. I think similar laws have been passed in Belgium and Germany. I find it funny that has economic growth from the post war era is slowing down and climate c…

At least in France people will protest. Places like Australia, NZ and Canada have far too much trust in the government...

As an American's American (Guns and Liberty for everyone!) I really appreciate the French people's intolerance of government overreach. They say no, and they don't sit down.

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I guess my days as a paying customer of FastMail are coming to an end. I don’t expect to ever become a legitimate target of Australian law enforcement, but there is always abuse.

Well fuck I just moved to Fastmail. Who else is out there? And no I’m not self hosting.

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Re: Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in 24 hours

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Well, just added Australia to the list of places I'm never going. > The two Australian law enforcement bodies AFP and ACIC will soon have the power to modify, add, copy, or delete your data should you become a suspect in the investigation of a serious crime. How would one prove the bodies didnt add/modify incriminating items? in the US that would be nigh impossible to argue against as the system implicitly trusts pol…

It’s nothing special anyway, not worth the long flight

Re: Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in 24 hours

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post #68

There and New Zealand both. The responses (extreme lockdown) of both countries to Covid has been nothing short of insane.

Apparently, you're not allowed to go beyond 5km radius of your house. Can someone in Australia confirm the details of the lockdown? Virus is here to stay for many years, if not decades. We're never going to eliminate it. It is time we push back on draconian measures in the name of covid. Unrelated but I can't even go to bathroom in SF city because every restaurant, convenience store, gas station, etc. have an excuse…

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Re: Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in 24 hours

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently, you're not allowed to go beyond 5km radius of your house. Can someone in Australia confirm the details of the lockdown? Virus is here to stay for many years, if not decades. We're never going to eliminate it. It is time we push back on draconian measures in the name of covid. Unrelated but I can't even go to bathroom in SF city because every restaurant, convenience store, gas station, etc. have an excuse…

The 5km thing is real while the lockdown is in effect. Keep in mind it’s different to America, you get paid decent money from the state to stay at home. Whether or not the ~20 000 lives saved from these lockdowns comes down to opinion in the end.

Wow.

I guess if you're going to live under such rules, it's easier if you agree with them.

I can only assume that you view the surveillance bill as also benevolent.

Re: Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in 24 hours

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What is it about Australia that is driving it to be so uniquely totalitarian among the English-speaking countries? I always envisioned it culturally more individualistic than the UK, but they've gone even farther down the path of state control and surveillance.

It's because AU is used as a test bed for all the really fucked up laws that the powers that be would love to pass, but can't due to significant citizen pushback and/or armed citizens.
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