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“One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by biasedbrain »

bccdee wrote: post #104
brazzy wrote: post #61

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> Would not a sonar help? Portable sonar systems with in-helmet displays were put in use by the US Navy only last year: https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2021/03/us-navy-teams-w... > A full spacesuit-like helmet with air to be able to talk via radio? Would fuck up your buoyancy, but there are systems where you have only an air pockt around your mouth. But the range would be so low as to be nearly useless inside a…

This may be a somewhat silly question, but why couldn't they just have used flashlights? I'm sure there's an obvious reason, but I don't know what it is.

Mud

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by jgwil2 »

bccdee wrote: post #104
brazzy wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Would not a sonar help? Portable sonar systems with in-helmet displays were put in use by the US Navy only last year: https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2021/03/us-navy-teams-w... > A full spacesuit-like helmet with air to be able to talk via radio? Would fuck up your buoyancy, but there are systems where you have only an air pockt around your mouth. But the range would be so low as to be nearly useless inside a…

This may be a somewhat silly question, but why couldn't they just have used flashlights? I'm sure there's an obvious reason, but I don't know what it is.

I assume it wasn't just darkness they were dealing with, but also that the water was so muddy it became opaque, in which case lights wouldn't have helped them.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by mcguire »

jasonwatkinspdx wrote: post #60
fab1an wrote: post #45

The most harrowing thing I have read in a long time. I can't even begin to fathom the immense bravery of these divers - and that of the boys. I didn't really follow the Musk bit of the story, but the fact that he had the audacity to shitpost about any of these guys make me think vastly less of him (and I'm usually in the Musk-respecter camp)

When Musk first appeared I was hugely supportive. Definitely a fan of what he was doing both with SpaceX and Tesla. I'm still a fan of what those companies are doing but Elon has destroyed my view of him with his own behavior and words. We should stop turning a blind eye to his labor practices. Likewise, we should give the engineers and other workers that are actually accomplishing these things more credit, vs preten…

Musk first appeared as what eventually became that universally loved company, PayPal. Which he was booted out of. Twice.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by gpanders »

34679 wrote: post #58
mongol wrote: post #10

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There is a great documentary about the Finnish cave divers. "Diving into the unknown": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diving_into_the_Unknown "Last breath" is also a really good documentary about rescue under water https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Breath_(2019_film) Both of these I rate 5/5

I'm just going to toss this here because I really enjoyed the audiobook: Shadow Divers - The True Adventure of Two Americans Who Risked Everything to Solve One of the Last Mysteries of World War II https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_Divers

This book is absolutely incredible. I just read it recently. I didn’t expect to like it that much (the description doesn’t sound that interesting), but Kurson is such an excellent author that he totally hooked me. Highly recommended.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by pontifier »

chha wrote: post #8

There is a couple of other stories that comes to mind, unfortunately both of them were about recovering the dead. "Raising the Dead" is about the accidental discovery of a diver in SA, and the recovery efforts there. [1] "The cave divers who went back for their friends" is about a trio of finns who went back into a Norwegian underwater cave system to recover two friends who got stuck and died there. [2] [1] - https:/…

4 friends of friends died in a flooded cave in my home town.

https://www.deseret.com/2005/8/23/19908025/4-drown-in-cave#8

I had been hearing about the cave, and had been invited to go there a couple of weeks before this happened. I decided not to go because it didn't sound safe. I was concerned about the oxygen content of the air pocket and decided it was too dangerous.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by jonplackett »

cududa wrote: post #113
jonplackett wrote: post #87

Is there a film being made of this yet?

No idea why you got downvoted so much, but yes it’s out, it’s called The Cave

Yeah, seemed like a fairly reasonable question!

Thanks! I wonder if it gives as chilling a representation as this article. I will go find out!

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by delecti »

jamiek88 wrote: post #110
_tulpa wrote: post #89

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I don't really see what Elon actually does beyond cultivating public image and having money.

Let’s not go too far the other way now. He’s chief engineer at spacex for starters.

Edit: I can admit when I'm wrong. I stand by my assertion that it's absurd to call him a founder of Tesla, but his position in SpaceX seems to be legit.

~~He may be credited as chief engineer at SpaceX, but that doesn't mean he's meaningfully contributing to actual engineering efforts.~~ He's also credited as a founder of Tesla, despite not actually being involved in the founding of that company.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by fastasucan »

janci wrote: post #47

I still don't get it. The tunnels were too narrow near the ceilling, but wide near the floor. The divers could not keep at the floor because they could not navigate due to zero visibility, zero communication and no tether points. Would not a sonar help? A full spacesuit-like helmet with air to be able to talk via radio? Laying down some flexible tunnels that could be inflated with air or maybe just pumped with clear…

Im amazed that you come to the conclusion that the people who work with this and risked their lives didn't have these obvious ideas rather than there is reasons why they wouldn't work that you dont understand.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by fastasucan »

janci wrote: post #105
cirrus3 wrote: post #98

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> I still don't get it. Clearly not. Why does someone always have to assume they know better? > they chose the most difficult transport What are you even basing this statement on?

I do not assume I know better. I am just asking why any of these ideas would not work. > What are you even basing this statement on? As I understand it, the transport was immensely difficult. The divers and the rescued kids were at great danger. It is unbelievable to me they managed to save them without any special solution. I'm sorry if my comment was misunderstood.

How do you know that this wasn't the easiest/only option? (Since you said it was the hardest).
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