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Re: Police in India visited Twitter offices over ‘manipulated media’ label

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> I read through it and it says part of the document has been admitted to be true. I don't understand: You asked whether Twitter had any basis for marking it false. I said the basis was (at least in part) a major fact-checking organization. I'm not sure how the above is a response to that. Also, can you provide some basis to your claim? Every lie is partly true; someone who says things that are 'partly true' is a lia…

> In democracies the judiciary is not at all there to decide truth. It's there to apply the law Yes, and in this case. It would have gone something like this, the side which thinks it has been wrongly represented files a libel lawsuit and then facts are checked and the case is argued in a transparent manner. What happened right now was action by a black box on commentary from another black box. We know before wars, s…

>> In democracies the judiciary is not at all there to decide truth. It's there to apply the law

> Yes, and in this case. It would have gone something like this, the side which thinks it has been wrongly represented files a libel lawsuit and then facts are checked and the case is argued in a transparent manner.

Generally, the most important aspect of free speech is that you can say what you want about the government; there's no such thing as libeling it. Otherwise, libel is a means of the government restricting speech and harassing opponents - a means commonly used by dictators, including Modi.

The idea of trusting the government to control political speech or be the artbiter of truth seems to ignore the obvious, well-established risks.

Re: Police in India visited Twitter offices over ‘manipulated media’ label

#112

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How many police are required to deliver a letter? Why not mail it or email it? How about using attorneys?

It's quite common to get disruptive behaviour when serving these kind of notices. They didn't realise most were working from home

Seriously? Delivering a legal notice to a major global corporation? This isn't notice delivered to an abusive spouse or drug dealer.

Re: Police in India visited Twitter offices over ‘manipulated media’ label

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post #106

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It wasn't heavily flagged and we didn't have to manually unflag it.

Thanks. By the way, your explanation of that persecution complex was good. The challenge is people (like me) looking at and thinking “yeah, sounds correct except in my case, where I know for a fact I’m a persecuted minority on HN” But maybe it’s enough to convince people in general that there’s no such persecution going on, even if there is. That way comments like mine that imply it’s existence end up with -10 instea…

> “yeah, sounds correct except in my case, where I know for a fact I’m a persecuted minority on HN”

Exactly! that's how we all do it. The weird thing is that even when you become aware of it, it doesn't stop. You simply become aware that you think this way, just as everyone thinks this way, and that despite knowing this, you still feel that you are the noble exception to the universal rule—a human among worms, as it were. It is like an optical illusion that persists even after you know that it is an illusion. However, the awareness seems to have the effect of modulating one's behavior, which is the important thing.

I suppose it's still an open question what really has a chance of shifting this at a community level. Asking people to go against human nature is a tall order. One thing I've tried is pointing people to similar-but-opposite generalizations being made by the other side; or showing them long lists of contradictory generalizations, like here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26148870. I'm not sure it really helps, though.

Re: Police in India visited Twitter offices over ‘manipulated media’ label

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What is up with the comments in this thread? How are people seeing this as the Indian government taking a stand against censorship or whatever? The same government is upset that Twitter reinstated several accounts critical of the administration.

In general, Indians living abroad are highly supportive of the Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi. Not his party, or his government, or his policies ... just him personally. Hacker News contains many such people. They are responsible for the bizarre comments you've read on this thread. On a related note, this thread will soon be flagged, like all threads that are even mildly, indirectly critical of Narendra Modi. En…

Not only abroad but also in India. That is why he is the democratically elected leader of the largest democracy.

And by extension perhaps the most popular or trusted person in the world.

The fact that he rose from poverty with no family connections has rubbed on the wrong side of many princes in waiting and their entourage.

Re: Police in India visited Twitter offices over ‘manipulated media’ label

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post #49
post #13

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What is up with the comments in this thread? How are people seeing this as the Indian government taking a stand against censorship or whatever? The same government is upset that Twitter reinstated several accounts critical of the administration.

In general, Indians living abroad are highly supportive of the Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi. Not his party, or his government, or his policies ... just him personally. Hacker News contains many such people. They are responsible for the bizarre comments you've read on this thread. On a related note, this thread will soon be flagged, like all threads that are even mildly, indirectly critical of Narendra Modi. En…

By extension people on HN critical of Modi are mostly neither Indian, never been in India or have no clue what they are talking about other than unsubstantiated criticism for political reason.

Re: Police in India visited Twitter offices over ‘manipulated media’ label

#116

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Neither are they “prominent”, nor do they “check facts”. Someone has to be the arbiter of the truth. I’d rather it be courts and some legal process, or even the government rather than some so called “prominent fact checking organisation”.

> Neither are they “prominent”, nor do they “check facts”. What is that based on? > Someone has to be the arbiter of the truth. They do? That has never been the case, except in dictatorships where the ruler has claimed to be the arbiter, but few actually believe what they say is truth.

It’s based on them neither being “prominent”, nor being “fact checkers”. Please produce sources to back your claims.

Also cite, why there needn’t be any arbiters of truth in a democracy. Maybe you have fully embraced the post truth age.

Re: Police in India visited Twitter offices over ‘manipulated media’ label

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This generalization comes up in every polarized thread about every polarized topic. Literally every side that feels passionately on such a topic feels like the community is outrageously biased against their side. For every sarcastic and aggrieved "anything that supports $X will get downvoted and flagged" or "anything even mildly critical will get $Y", there are isomorphic comments from the opposing side which are jus…

Dang, could you share how many times this thread was flagged, if at all? Also, did you or another moderator have to manually unflag it? Implicit in your comment is the idea that I’m just imagining this, like a paranoid person claiming persecution. But IME, Bay Area Indians are highly supportive of Modi and are highly active on HN. They incite a flame war, flag the thread and the thread vanishes. If a moderator comes…

> But I think you are discounting how effectively they use the mechanics of HN to shut down criticism of their deity

I don't care about Modi but I flagged your comments because I'm tired about the endless whining about "them" supposedly manipulating HN. If you don't like Modi tell me why, don't go around strawmaning and generalizing Indian tech workers.

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