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Re: This Music Video Does Not Exist [video]

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Post by airza »

ehnto wrote: post #21
flobosg wrote: post #17

The syncing of the visuals to the music brings to mind the video for The Chemical Brothers’ Star Guitar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S43IwBF0uM

A really impressive achievement, I wonder how they achieved it when the song was released.

I think they did a good job choosing a scene that is somewhat easier for CGI: artists have struggled for a long time to make acceleration and general changes of momentum line up with the way that objects do so in real life. It also makes the motion blur shader more or less a constant which is easy to simulate, and our brain fills in the rest :)

Re: This Music Video Does Not Exist [video]

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

ehnto wrote: post #78
hfjfktkrkf wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Parent meant best in the sense of Billboard Hot 100. Saying people will not be interested in AI music is like saying people will not be interested in movies with CGI.

That's not even a close comparison. Humans make CGI, it's still directed and created by humans. The real comparison would be seeing if people would accept that movies aren't written and directed by humans anymore. Music outside of pop gains popularity through grass roots popularity contests essentially. Then in Top 40 people care way more about the personalities than the music, you could probably sneak some AI music…

Yes, a lot of people don't get this. Pop is as much about fashion and branding as sound, and an AI would need a virtual personality to get anywhere with that.

Which will likely happen within 10 years or so. Hatsune Miku is already a thing, and a few upgrades from now she'll probably appear to be running her own post-TikTok account.

J- and K-pop boy/girl bands are already run like this. The individual artists are more or less interchangeable and can be dropped at any time if they lose their looks or appeal. They don't get much/any creative freedom, and the performances are all externally choreographed.

It wouldn't take much to create a virtual version. Give it some virtual sass and you have a tame monster.

Re: This Music Video Does Not Exist [video]

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Post by motohagiography »

Using AI this way seems like the equivalent of inventing spam for music to me. It's interesting, but basically we've figured enough out about the entropy and shape of an honest signal that we can automatically produce noise against it that cancels meaning, or subverts it.

The difference between simulating music and using formalisms to make discoveries about it seems like a matter of intent. As in, what's the difference between a horizon, a window viewing one, and a picture of one? The existence of an observer makes them related, and the position of the observer makes them different. That difference is probably analogous to what simulated music is to intentional music. The existence of a listener makes it music, and the relationship of the listener makes it different.

These AI generated images are like cancelling-noise to images we already associate meaning with. Which is seems analogous to 1/f fractal or Perlin noise at a certain level of abstraction. Not to dismiss or attempt to trivialize the accomplishment at all, but when people create tech that is overwhelming to the senses like that, sometimes a new frame of reference can help.

Re: This Music Video Does Not Exist [video]

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Post by MetaWhirledPeas »

reducesuffering wrote: post #15

This is scary and what I feared would eventually happen. How long before AI is better than every music producer, trained on all of music how likeable something is? How long before fake influencers on IG and TikTok completely dominate by having more addictive personalities and videos to follow than real people?

When it gets good I do think this will decimate the industry that cranks out generic electronic music for YouTube videos. (Does that count as an industry?) That aspect is not so bad perhaps.

THE FUTURE: Your phone will have an exploratory music feature. You dial in all sorts of weights... genre, tempo, density, melody, etc. You'll crank out a custom instrumental playlist at the tap of a button. This will probably make for great study/work music.

When it eventually overshadows normal instrumental music it's going to be a giant bummer for anyone hoping to make money doing it. Artists are going to have a lot of soul searching to do.

Re: This Music Video Does Not Exist [video]

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Post by laumars »

flohofwoe wrote: post #83
ehnto wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A really impressive achievement, I wonder how they achieved it when the song was released.

Star Guitar is from 2003 which was well in the era of "cheap computers are good enough now that we can manipulate each pixel" (after all, Terminator 2 and Jurassic Park were made in the early 90's, and music videos usually don't need "cinematic" image quality because they were broadcasted over TV). If you look closely at the Star Guitar video, you can find "clipping artefacts" where the fragments are pieced together…

I don’t disagree with your point however Jurassic Park was mostly animatronics so not the best example to use.

Re: This Music Video Does Not Exist [video]

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Post by zentiggr »

reducesuffering wrote: post #15

This is scary and what I feared would eventually happen. How long before AI is better than every music producer, trained on all of music how likeable something is? How long before fake influencers on IG and TikTok completely dominate by having more addictive personalities and videos to follow than real people?

Considering I like metalcore, bagpipes, Enya, Bruno Mars, Pantera, The Blues Brothers/Chicago blues in general, Daft Punk, Monty Python songs, Loreena McKennitt, Led Zeppelin, Bach, ...

I absolutely doubt that any AI will ever produce something I genuinely like. Maybe some features in isolation, hopefully not multiple genre features in some unholy mish mash...

I just don't see it.

Re: This Music Video Does Not Exist [video]

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Post by flohofwoe »

laumars wrote: post #116
flohofwoe wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Star Guitar is from 2003 which was well in the era of "cheap computers are good enough now that we can manipulate each pixel" (after all, Terminator 2 and Jurassic Park were made in the early 90's, and music videos usually don't need "cinematic" image quality because they were broadcasted over TV). If you look closely at the Star Guitar video, you can find "clipping artefacts" where the fragments are pieced together…

I don’t disagree with your point however Jurassic Park was mostly animatronics so not the best example to use.

Well it's just a few minutes, but definitely the most impressive few minutes of the movie ;) AFAIK most scenes where dinosaurs are jumping and running around were computer-rendered.

Remember that scene where the protagonists are running with the dino swarm around them? The paths of the dinosaurs were laid out in the real world with tennis balls, and back then we wondered "wow they must have great image processing code to remove all those tracking markers". Turns out it wasn't algorithms but humans who removed them frame by frame, pixel by pixel (it didn't occur to us computer nerds that brute force makes the most sense if you're on a tight schedule).

Re: This Music Video Does Not Exist [video]

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Post by the_af »

smithmayowa wrote: post #38
BoiledCabbage wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> though it makes me anxious if I look at it longer than 3 seconds I've read that people with Trypophobia can often have similar reactions to these GAN type generated images. You may want to look into seeing if you have a mild case of it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trypophobia

I have tyro-phobia and yeah those Gan images freak me out, any solution for tyro-phobia?

I don't have it to the point of phobia, but I do find images of multiple tiny holes (especially with eye-looking things inside) in animals and plants disturbing.

I think it is indeed a natural response. Animals/plants with lots of tiny holes look diseased to me.

By the way, if you do have this to the point of phobia, don't look at images of the Surinam Toad, whose young grow out of holes in the mother's back. Really, it's nightmarish.

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