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Red seaweed supplementation reduces enteric methane by over 80% in beef steers

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Re: Red seaweed supplementation reduces enteric methane by over 80% in beef steers

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Post by anonuser123456 »

ars wrote: post #28
frankbreetz wrote: post #12

"Transportation of the processed or unprocessed seaweed should be kept to a minimum, so cultivation in the region of use is recommended specially to avoid long-haul shipping." "Asparagopsis taxiformis, (red sea plume or limu kohu) formerly A. sanfordiana, is a species of red algae, with cosmopolitan distribution in tropical to warm temperate waters."[0] This seems to be a pretty big hurdle to overcome. Either all the…

Or, just ship the seaweed. There is no reason to "keep it to a minimum", shipping things takes far less energy than people like to imagine. You'll end up spending FAR more energy cultivating it in lots of small locales.

Yes, but 'localism' lets people feel like they are 'making an impact', and that's what matters to them; feeling good about themselves.

Re: Red seaweed supplementation reduces enteric methane by over 80% in beef steers

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Post by 52-6F-62 »

j-pb wrote: post #72
52-6F-62 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have. I can't eat a lot of fats due to a bad pancreas, but I'm also B12-deficient and anemic. Doc asked me to eat more red meat on occasion, so I try to about once a week. As an attempt at an alternative, I tried one of the popular substitutes. I tried it before my ... "pancreatic situation" was known to me. It made me sick for days. Vomiting, other digestive issues I won't list, and incredible abdominal pain and s…

Why not take the B12 substitute directly? I take 1 1000% daily reccomended dose per day, as per consultation with my doctor. Together with D3, Folic Acid, and Iron. Most people are vitamin deficient, meat eating/milk drinking or not, unless you actively substitute. It's all the same stuff anyways. B12 is produced by bacteria living on the ground. Which would normally bio accumulate in livestock. Howeve since most liv…

I do.

It's not enough. And uptake is a complex process, it's not as simple as supplement with a given isolate. Unfortunately, not every human body will adhere to a textbook case where a single supplemental pill or shot does the trick. If it did, I'd be in a better way.

As it is, I'm working on staying ahead of any problems B12 and anemia can cause me down the line. I'd rather not reach the point of others I've known who have to have regular blood transfusions to stay alive and prevent their minds and bodies from eroding.

I'll stick to my physician's word and millennia of evolution on that one, if it's all the same to you.

And please, show me some respect: you must know that consuming a complex of nutrients through a food source is not the same as ingesting a copious amount of an isolate. It's certainly not akin to an animal "swallowing a pill" for me.

Re: Red seaweed supplementation reduces enteric methane by over 80% in beef steers

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Post by xphilter »

gambiting wrote: post #61

There is an incredibly important part of this that I feel everyone is missing. The grass eaten by the cows would produce exactly as much methane if it was just left to rot. It's not as if cows somehow produce methane out of grass that would otherwise just....turn into dust? None of those studies take this into account, they all just measure what comes into a cow and what comes out, but no one takes into account the a…

That simply can’t be true in the wild. If that much carbon was released from plants in the wild, we’d never have coal or oil, right? Composting the grass might be the same as cows, but that process doesn’t happen everywhere there’s grass. In the wild, the grass would be trampled and new grass would sprout up to cover it, layers of soil would be generated. But honestly I’m just guessing, but your claim seems so far off the mark.

Re: Red seaweed supplementation reduces enteric methane by over 80% in beef steers

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Post by beforeolives »

valgor wrote: post #93

Not eating cows or drinking cow milk reduces your carbon emissions from cows 100%. You actually don't need technology or a start up to solve this issue!

You do if you want it to scale to large numbers of people. Affordable lab-grown meat (when we have it) and intermediate solutions like the one in this article (if it's indeed viable) actually work for everybody. Even if we assume that veganism is an okay choice for one's health, trying to convince people to go vegan won't get you very far.

Re: Red seaweed supplementation reduces enteric methane by over 80% in beef steers

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Post by DubiousPusher »

tengbretson wrote: post #108
m000 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> None of those studies take this into account, they all just measure what comes into a cow and what comes out, but no one takes into account the amount of methane produced from the same feed even without cows involved. Nobody's missing anything. That feed wouldn't have been planted in the first place if it weren't for feeding the cows. And that would translate to less deforestation [1]. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/…

Then just buy American beef, which is produced without any deforestation.

It's not that simple. Not all American beef is raised on native grasses.

Re: Red seaweed supplementation reduces enteric methane by over 80% in beef steers

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

j-pb wrote: post #37
calvinmorrison wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So we could all go vegan, skip off our normal diets, a huge change to the world OR china could stop running their very dirty coal plants. Please stop making everything _my_ problem when other countries do not give a rats ass.

All coal plants produce the same amount of CO2, the dirtyness is inly related to micro-particles. The richest countries are the reason for climate change. We've lived way past what is sustainable for a hundred years, and now you want to blame it on somebody else? Sure, everything but taking personal responsibility...

> All coal plants produce the same amount of CO2, the dirtyness is inly related to micro-particles.

This isn't correct.

Different types of coal can result in dramatic difference in CO2 production per kWh hour generated.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lignite

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazelwood_Power_Station

Re: Red seaweed supplementation reduces enteric methane by over 80% in beef steers

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Post by goda90 »

valgor wrote: post #93

Not eating cows or drinking cow milk reduces your carbon emissions from cows 100%. You actually don't need technology or a start up to solve this issue!

But how much does it reduce your total carbon emissions from all food sources? Any food source, animal or plant, can have a big impact if the agricultural practices involved are not sustainable. Destroying rain forests for palm oil plantations is arguably worse than raising cattle on pre-existing grasslands and using beef tallow in place of palm oil.

Re: Red seaweed supplementation reduces enteric methane by over 80% in beef steers

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Post by [deleted] »

colechristensen wrote: post #105
gambiting wrote: post #61

There is an incredibly important part of this that I feel everyone is missing. The grass eaten by the cows would produce exactly as much methane if it was just left to rot. It's not as if cows somehow produce methane out of grass that would otherwise just....turn into dust? None of those studies take this into account, they all just measure what comes into a cow and what comes out, but no one takes into account the a…

Honestly, I don’t trust the source. What an animal science professor says off the cuff in an interview is something that should be verified with real data. The question relies on how much carbon ends up in CO2, CH4, and fixed in the soil between use of what would become cattle feed. Carbon is conserved without a doubt, but how much ends up as gas and which gas is important. Carbon dioxide doesn’t matter because every…

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Re: Red seaweed supplementation reduces enteric methane by over 80% in beef steers

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Post by ddoeth »

tengbretson wrote: post #108
m000 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> None of those studies take this into account, they all just measure what comes into a cow and what comes out, but no one takes into account the amount of methane produced from the same feed even without cows involved. Nobody's missing anything. That feed wouldn't have been planted in the first place if it weren't for feeding the cows. And that would translate to less deforestation [1]. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/…

Then just buy American beef, which is produced without any deforestation.

Except the beef that isn't from free roaming animals but from mass producing facilities.
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