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Gridcoin: An open-source cryptocurrency that rewards volunteer computing

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Re: Gridcoin: An open-source cryptocurrency that rewards volunteer computing

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I always understood the security of block-chains as a race between the good and the bad agents. Both are extending their respective chains as fast as they can. A bad-agent, who wishes to double-spend has to rewrite history, and therefore has to start a few step behind the good agent. To succeed, the bad agent has to overtake the good agent. Even if both have the same speed (i.e. 50% computational power each), the goo…

An attacker does not have to wait in order to produce a parallel chain. He can mine his separate chain immediately after submitting the transaction. Even with less than 50% hashrate, he is bound to find a few blocks in a row from time to time. Keep in mind that he can run the attack as often as he wants. This is why the recommendation is to wait for 6 blocks - it is very unlikely (not impossible) that somebody with a…

Ok that makes sense.

But I wonder why doesn't this problem also arise in the current Proof-of-Work system. A sufficiently well-funded group, with about 20% hash-rate can try to extend the current head of the blockchain by 6 fake blocks at every time. If they succeed, i.e. all 6 fake blocks are mined before the real network mines 6 real blocks, then they can publish their parallel chain with the fake transactions and it would be longer than the real chain.

This is equivalent to the expected number of coin tosses to get 6 consecutive heads, where the coin is heads with probability 1/5. Here, heads means that a fake block is mined before the corresponding real block is mined. This number is less than 20000, which corresponds to about 6 months of time. This is expensive, but not infeasible. They just need to remain solvent until they succeed and then easily cover the costs.

Re: Gridcoin: An open-source cryptocurrency that rewards volunteer computing

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post #100

If curious, past threads: Help Take the Fight to COVID-19 with BOINC and Folding@Home - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22658139 - March 2020 (61 comments) Gridcoin: Rewarding Scientific Distributed Computing - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16031912 - Dec 2017 (55 comments) BOINC – Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12524921 - Sept 2016 (21 comments)…

For those reading and not familiar with Gridcoin and BOINC, I should note that BOINC is separate from Gridcoin. The threads about BOINC are indeed related, but about a slightly different topic. Just wanted to note that since I have seen some confusion stemming from it in the past

Separately, would it be possible to change the submission link to something with a little more information such as gridcoin.us? I have been lurking for a few months and I notice that you have changed some links in the past. Not sure what the guidelines are for changing links, so let me know if me that's not something you think is needed or can do

Re: Gridcoin: An open-source cryptocurrency that rewards volunteer computing

#113
post #89

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No, its not with all, maybe with most but regardless this doesn't add any anything. I want to know specifically for this coin. >to get enough to stake regularly to earn their rewards Reward paid in, let me guess, more coins. self fueling like most other coins. Thats not a real usecase >because they believe in the coin so it has religion-like properties, awesome /s not a use case >create a service that accepts GRC and…

In it's heyday during 2018 it got up to 15-17 cents (USD), but by the end of 2018 it was at 1/2 cent and by the end of 2019 it was at 1/10 cent. It's been delisted from most of the major exchanges and pulled from wallet apps like Coinomi; your observations above are correct, you need to have coin to make coin and you cannot make coin quickly without throwing a lot of hardware at it. You must use their wallet, which i…

It's worth noting that a lot of work (4500+ hours in ten months of development and testing[1]) has been put into a massive rewrite of the wallet in 5.0.0. The wallet is a lot more stable than it was when you last used it, the GUI is much better, tons of old crappy code was removed, thing are more secure in general, etc. There's also much better testing of releases now too

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/gridcoin/comments/im8ktw/gridcoin_5...

Re: Gridcoin: An open-source cryptocurrency that rewards volunteer computing

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post #93

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Bitcoin was mean to be p2p cash. It has no legitimate use case anymore as it obviously failed to be p2p cash. Ethereum tried to be many things mostly a decentral computer. Turned out to be a super expensive decentral computer and that it isn't really so decentral in the current version. However its technically used this way by some people so that de-facto means it has a valid use case. It can hardly compete against n…

The Bitcoin idea didn't fail to be cash. BTC failed to be cash because it forced a permanent 1mb block size limit. If you want to see the original Bitcoin idea working as a charm, use Bitcoin Cash (BCH).

Well if its meant to be used as p2p cash but can not be used in this manner since many years that ticks all the boxes for me to call it failed. but you are entitled to your own opinion on this.

BCH solves nothing, the larger block size may allows some more Tx but you still have 10min block times and then wait for however many confirmation blocks you want. Not exactly how I imagine p2p cash is supposed to work. and if the throughput would reach the new max with the new block size it would suffer exploding fees just like the "main" bitcoin. It does not scale better it just has a higher limit not one that would allow any meaningful throughput to use it as a global p2p cash system. no one has it to use it as p2p cash. Everyone has it to sell it for profit later on.

Re: Gridcoin: An open-source cryptocurrency that rewards volunteer computing

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post #89

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No, its not with all, maybe with most but regardless this doesn't add any anything. I want to know specifically for this coin. >to get enough to stake regularly to earn their rewards Reward paid in, let me guess, more coins. self fueling like most other coins. Thats not a real usecase >because they believe in the coin so it has religion-like properties, awesome /s not a use case >create a service that accepts GRC and…

I'll admit it's not great right now, but I don't know if I understand what you view as a use case? If using it to get things of value with it is not a use case, then what coin or currency has any use case? Everything is a transfer of value even beyond just currencies be it paid in time or other things > Reward paid in, let me guess, more coins. self fueling like most other coins. Thats not a real usecase It's also wo…

Maybe I should have said a "unique use case" and also one that out-competes other similar systems. Buying stuff with the coin may be an use case but this coin is in no way better than the thousands others for doing just that. Its very much end of the line for acceptance and thus this use case is not really valid.

Re: Gridcoin: An open-source cryptocurrency that rewards volunteer computing

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post #91

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The solution is also announced in cleartext, so you can check against previous solutions.

The problem is that when a miner announces a block with a solution, an attacker could immediately announce their own alternative block with the same solution and there would be a chance that the network would take up their block first.

But if the legitimate miner announces & signs a hash of the solution well beforehand, they can prove theirs is the legitimate solution.

Re: Gridcoin: An open-source cryptocurrency that rewards volunteer computing

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post #16

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Considering the number of supercomputers that have been constructed since the days of ENIAC, I don't think we'll be running out of scientific computing problems any time soon. And if we somehow do manage to run out of computing problems, then I guess we've already succeeded.

I'm wondering why you think supercomputers are actually built for. Besides that, the type of computational problems that are submitted to and that BOINC helps solving are different to those that a supercomputer solves. The former (known as High Throughput Computing, HTC) is concerned mainly -- as the name suggests -- with throughput, while the latter (High Performance Computing, HPC) with speed/latency. There is a re…

Sorry I didn't specify. There's still plenty of demand for HTC:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_distributed_computing_...

Re: Gridcoin: An open-source cryptocurrency that rewards volunteer computing

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post #89

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As one of the commenters mention, it's an issue with all cryptocurrencies. Right now one of the reason people want to get Gridcoin is to get enough to stake regularly to earn their rewards or because they believe in the coin. In the future, there's been some ideas floating around that I think are very interesting. For instance, one idea that's been floating around is to create a service that accepts GRC and offers as…

No, its not with all, maybe with most but regardless this doesn't add any anything. I want to know specifically for this coin. >to get enough to stake regularly to earn their rewards Reward paid in, let me guess, more coins. self fueling like most other coins. Thats not a real usecase >because they believe in the coin so it has religion-like properties, awesome /s not a use case >create a service that accepts GRC and…

How are those issues any different from other currencies or coins? It really comes down to trust and security, which this offers just like others do. At a high level view it's just basically bitcoin but with coins created through externally useful work.
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