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Re: Gridcoin: An open-source cryptocurrency that rewards volunteer computing

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Solution has to depend on the proposed block, so that a solution is not reusable for the next block

The solution is also announced in cleartext, so you can check against previous solutions.

The problem is that when a miner announces a block with a solution, an attacker could immediately announce their own alternative block with the same solution and there would be a chance that the network would take up their block first.

Re: Gridcoin: An open-source cryptocurrency that rewards volunteer computing

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If you use a money with an issuance scheme that doesn't derive from pure costs (useless things like hashing), the underlying incentives of that money will seed its own destruction. What happens if you have a coin based on "useful work" and you "solve" the problem you were hoping to solve. Now a lot of "miners" leave the network, presumably because they were only there to help solve that particular problem. Now you ha…

Considering the number of supercomputers that have been constructed since the days of ENIAC, I don't think we'll be running out of scientific computing problems any time soon. And if we somehow do manage to run out of computing problems, then I guess we've already succeeded.

I'm wondering why you think supercomputers are actually built for. Besides that, the type of computational problems that are submitted to and that BOINC helps solving are different to those that a supercomputer solves. The former (known as High Throughput Computing, HTC) is concerned mainly -- as the name suggests -- with throughput, while the latter (High Performance Computing, HPC) with speed/latency.

There is a reason why Cloud providers do not yet have "real" HPC offerings (i.e., performance-wise), even though with all the marketing they do to appear otherwise..

Re: Gridcoin: An open-source cryptocurrency that rewards volunteer computing

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post #74

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That doesn't answer the question.

It's more a history question than a technical question. What's the use of Bitcoin or Ethereum?

Bitcoin was mean to be p2p cash. It has no legitimate use case anymore as it obviously failed to be p2p cash.

Ethereum tried to be many things mostly a decentral computer. Turned out to be a super expensive decentral computer and that it isn't really so decentral in the current version. However its technically used this way by some people so that de-facto means it has a valid use case. It can hardly compete against newer similar projects but thats another story.

Re: Gridcoin: An open-source cryptocurrency that rewards volunteer computing

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post #68

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Those are different solutions to the puzzle. Nobody has ever published a sha-256 hash collision. It has happened once with sha-1.

The principles are the same — it's just harder to find collisions for larger digest sizes. (Although bugs in sha-1 add an interesting wrinkle to the discussion.) In fact one could argue that encryption without requiring infinite bandwidth or computation requires finite difficulty in math puzzles. So our current approach to encryption is fundamentally vulnerable to (vastly) more powerful adversary computers. Only thin…

Algorithmic cryptography depends on a computation time approaching infinity for perfect security. Quantum cryptography depends on a data transmission rate approaching zero for perfect security. Either way, perfect security takes forever.

Re: Gridcoin: An open-source cryptocurrency that rewards volunteer computing

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Not to be that guy but did anyone read the 2 sentence wiki? "Gridcoin attempts to address and ease the environmental energy impact of cryptocurrency mining through its proof-of-research and proof-of-stake protocols" Feels like a quarter of the comments are complaining about PoW ...

Because it doesn’t ‘address’ any of that. It’ vanilla PoS. Still a good idea for other reasons.

Re: Gridcoin: An open-source cryptocurrency that rewards volunteer computing

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As one of the commenters mention, it's an issue with all cryptocurrencies. Right now one of the reason people want to get Gridcoin is to get enough to stake regularly to earn their rewards or because they believe in the coin. In the future, there's been some ideas floating around that I think are very interesting. For instance, one idea that's been floating around is to create a service that accepts GRC and offers as…

No, its not with all, maybe with most but regardless this doesn't add any anything. I want to know specifically for this coin. >to get enough to stake regularly to earn their rewards Reward paid in, let me guess, more coins. self fueling like most other coins. Thats not a real usecase >because they believe in the coin so it has religion-like properties, awesome /s not a use case >create a service that accepts GRC and…

In it's heyday during 2018 it got up to 15-17 cents (USD), but by the end of 2018 it was at 1/2 cent and by the end of 2019 it was at 1/10 cent. It's been delisted from most of the major exchanges and pulled from wallet apps like Coinomi; your observations above are correct, you need to have coin to make coin and you cannot make coin quickly without throwing a lot of hardware at it. You must use their wallet, which is... well, it has a lot of users having to deal with it not working right/needing repaired frequently (see /r/gridcoin).

There were a few businesses accepting the coins for awhile (VPN providers, there was a hosting provider for a bit, I think a stickers/mugs/tshirt website, etc.) but that seemed to have dried up by 2019. The community itself has always seemed nice/pleasant, this is not a comment on those working the coin just on it's actual viability in real life - kinda has no use beyond owning it to make and own more of it as a curiosity. When I stopped using/trying I just dumped whatever random couple hundred coins I had into a public faucet, wasn't worth the hassle of trying to cash out $10 after a year of participating.

Re: Gridcoin: An open-source cryptocurrency that rewards volunteer computing

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post #14

This may be misunderstanding the function of PoW. Bitcoin PoW provides three things: selection, security, and incentive. The compute resource burn is an externality, although, it also ends up providing an important function, economic distribution. For PoW to work,it has to be hard to produce, easy to verify, and most importantly, attest to one and only one state of the blockchain. The last part is where this fails as…

One of the more famous examples of a BOINC project is Rosetta@home, which asks users to determine how proteins fold. Isn't this exactly what you stipulate? You just let the binary hash of the block encode a sequence of amino acids, and then have the output be a valid block hash if the hash of the corresponding protein fold data has enough 0 bits at the beginning.

Re: Gridcoin: An open-source cryptocurrency that rewards volunteer computing

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post #97
post #14

This may be misunderstanding the function of PoW. Bitcoin PoW provides three things: selection, security, and incentive. The compute resource burn is an externality, although, it also ends up providing an important function, economic distribution. For PoW to work,it has to be hard to produce, easy to verify, and most importantly, attest to one and only one state of the blockchain. The last part is where this fails as…

One of the more famous examples of a BOINC project is Rosetta@home, which asks users to determine how proteins fold. Isn't this exactly what you stipulate? You just let the binary hash of the block encode a sequence of amino acids, and then have the output be a valid block hash if the hash of the corresponding protein fold data has enough 0 bits at the beginning.

who validates that the protein was folded correctly? Validating that the hash of some nonce contains enough leading zeroes is very easy for the network to validate. But verifying that users are correctly computing the protein folding (rather than quickly dumping out invalid folds to test hash values) seems like a difficult problem for the network to validate.

Re: Gridcoin: An open-source cryptocurrency that rewards volunteer computing

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post #50

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Can you explain why the security guarantee disappears in more detail? I thought that the security of a block-chain comes primarily from the difficulty of rewriting the chain of blocks. To do that you will have to fork and recompute the chain from some point back in history (say 5 blocks ago). This puts at a disadvantage since the rest of the network is ahead of you by 5 blocks and will continue adding new blocks. So…

You don't actually need 51% of the mining power to perform a double-spend attack. Just by pure chance, even with 10% of the mining power, you will find 5 blocks in a row sometimes. With a "wasteful" PoW, miners would not attempt this as they would hemorrhage money doing that. Withe a "useful" PoW, miners could have an outside funding source like some institute that pays for protein folding. The would not lose money i…

It seems to me that even in the PoW is useful, then both the honest and the dishonest miners will be able to get outside funding (from the perspective of the research institute after all, they are doing the same task). So the opportunity cost for dishonest mining is exactly the same - you miss out on the block reward more often.

Re: Gridcoin: An open-source cryptocurrency that rewards volunteer computing

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If curious, past threads:

Help Take the Fight to COVID-19 with BOINC and Folding@Home - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22658139 - March 2020 (61 comments)

Gridcoin: Rewarding Scientific Distributed Computing - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16031912 - Dec 2017 (55 comments)

BOINC – Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12524921 - Sept 2016 (21 comments)

BOINC: Compute for Science - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10205904 - Sept 2015 (11 comments)

Help advance science while mining cryptocurrency - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8102623 - July 2014 (1 comment)

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