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AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by fmajid »

fortran77 wrote: post #53
eloff wrote: post #3

What sales, they hardly had any stock available. I've been trying since the release to get my hands on a Ryzen 5900x and they're sold out everywhere. I'm trying to get on a waiting list for it now, fingers crossed that they can deliver before the new year.

Exactly. Intel is hardly being left "in the dust."

In the enthusiast segment where people build their own machines, perhaps. AMD is yet to get traction in the mass volume corporate desktop/laptop markets, although they have also taken significant market share in the lucrative server market.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by tpurves »

freedomben wrote: post #11
eloff wrote: post #3

What sales, they hardly had any stock available. I've been trying since the release to get my hands on a Ryzen 5900x and they're sold out everywhere. I'm trying to get on a waiting list for it now, fingers crossed that they can deliver before the new year.

Yeah this has been a huge problem for me too. I'm about to just go Intel instead. I hope they ramp up production and don't miss out because I think a strong AMD would be a good thing. I can't wait forever to build my new rig though and I've been using Intel for decades so I have confidence in it. Excited to go AMD but I am building a new rig for a reason (my old one is in its death throes and I use this thing all day…

If you can hang on for a couple more weeks. Supply side is supposed to get a lot better on the AMD cpus by the last two weeks of december.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by dathinab »

kllrnohj wrote: post #10
Ingon wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My biggest gripe with amd is that I need to think about gfx card when buying one. I’d love to have a simple vega 8 in all of their cpus.

I don't get why AMD refused to sell the Ryzen 4000 APUs directly. They would make a great CPU for some small builds that aren't going to game...

Probably:

- limited production capabilities

- maybe not-so-perfect yield

- self-competition to their still selling 3000 processors and their son to (theoretically) sell discrete graphics cards

To get a chance to chip Ryzen laptops AMD needs to chip a APUs to OEMs similar for the office pre-build desktop marked. So chipping APUs to them is necessary, on the other-hand shipping it to end users is not necessary and in context of limited production capabilities it's a bad idea to ship an additional product to a marked where (in difference to OEMs) it's hard to judge how many will be sold beforehand and where selling them can negatively affect selling other AMD products.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by dijit »

KptMarchewa wrote: post #46
dijit wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we underestimate (or, overestimate) low end GPUs. a geforce 1030 will be adequately taxed on desktop loads: https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-gt-1030.c2954 Can get them for 40eur, they barely do 1080p.

You can't connect 2+ 4k/60fps monitors to it, which is the only thing I expect from non-gaming GPU, besides being silent.

Ok. But there are two things that you want to be true then “onboard graphics are a requirement” and “it needs to do dual screens at 4k60”

I still don’t hear an argument here for having it all in one package. There are APUs in the Ryzen series, they perform worse, but everything is a trade off, you can’t have your cake and eat it.

You can get new and adequate GPUs for less than 100eur which will do what you want and “won’t sit idle” because they’re taxed. This GPU would struggle with even 1 screen. I think you underestimate the load a desktop has on a GPU, 2D rendering isn’t “free” and can take a lot of CPU die space and add to the heat/power delivery issues of a modern cpu.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by cillian64 »

eloff wrote: post #3

What sales, they hardly had any stock available. I've been trying since the release to get my hands on a Ryzen 5900x and they're sold out everywhere. I'm trying to get on a waiting list for it now, fingers crossed that they can deliver before the new year.

The fact that these products are out of stock everywhere implies more sales than if they were sitting on shelves.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by fmajid »

katsura wrote: post #39
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #28

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>Ryzen 5 IdeaPad S540 Too bad that, like most Ryzen laptops, it only has a HDMI 1.4 port just like every Lidl/Aldi discount bin laptop from 2012, so you can't get 60Hz at 4K on your external monitor, which is laughable for a device that costs almost a thousand bucks. HDMI 2.0 devices have been on the market since like 2016 already. I don't know why all OEMs gimp the Ryzen variants like this. It's either they have slo…

I noticed that as well. Either the build quality is questionable, some hardware elements, or the screen itself. Somehow it seems like there isn't any real AMD option that a self-respecting dev could buy. By the time AMD laptops catch up, M1 will leave everybody in the dust.

The Huawei Mate 14 2020 AMD is an outstanding machine, with a 3:2 display that has the same vertical space as a 16" 16:9, and a 4800H, and a solid all-metal chassis (only 16GB RAM, though). It's available in the UK, unfortunately with their god-awful UK QWERTY layout.

The big problem is 4800H availability. I gave up waiting for the Tuxedo Pulse 14 with it, and got a M1 Macbook Air instead.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by chungus_khan »

drewg123 wrote: post #50
enlyth wrote: post #21

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It's quite frustrating that this is becoming the norm, whether it be the 3XXX Nvidia cards, Playstation 5s, Ryzen CPUs, why is it that no hardware company can keep up with demand these days?

What ever happened to the laws of supply and demand? If the demand is high, and the supply is limited, they should be raising their prices. Stockx says an xbox series X is worth $750, a PS5 is worth $950, and a Ryzen 5900X worth $800. Why can't vendors just raise their prices, so I can buy from a retail outlet I trust, rather than a scalper.

A lot of it is because eventually production will catch up, and in the meantime companies want to catch consumer attention with the actual intended retail price while still big in the news rather than scaring them away with a higher launch price and then dropping it later and risk not catching the attention of uninvested customers.

There is also some marketing value in having a product sell out quickly.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by war1025 »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #44
war1025 wrote: post #36

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> so you can't get 60Hz at 4K on your external monitor Maybe my eyes just aren't that good, but I really can't see why I would need 4k over standard HD, which gives me plenty of screen real estate and a perfectly fine picture.

I don't see why your preferences should have an impact on my needs for 4k screens or vice-versa.

Well it really doesn't. I was mainly asking for the conversation of it and to see what people had to say about the matter.

Re: AMD CPU sales skyrocket with Ryzen 5000 launch, leaving Intel in the dust

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Post by dathinab »

api wrote: post #54

If they can really crack the PC laptop market, Intel is really in trouble. They lost phones, are losing Mac, are slowly losing cloud/data center/HPC, and if they lose PC that's about it.

Especially given that TSMC seems on a good track to go to 3nm nodes. Which supposedly will have something like 2.5x the transistor density then Intels current production mechanism.

Even without much other improvements from AMD this can hurt quite a bit.

The only think currently beneficial for Intel is that they don't relay on TSMC and in turn are not affected by shortages of nearly everyone else competing for TSMC production capacities. Also they will be less affected if the situation between China and Taiwan escalates.

(Through I would argue they didn't lost phones, as they never had any relevant footing in the phone marked at all.)

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