> Seems like a loss for everyone except bureaucrats
Not true, it's a great opportunity for javascript developers to get up on their soap boxes and share with us their moral and economic wisdom.
Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay
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Re: Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
The market is not fair. People have to eat, and will look for whatever job that can get that will help them eat and provide for their families.
This is a pretty absurd argument to make when the alternative is quite literally these jobs not existing at all as almost just happened at midnight tonight.
Uber and Lyft shutting down is posturing. I find it quite hard to believe taxi services will become impossible and not simply a bit more expensive.
Re: Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay
#113Uber gained market cap of $4B since this appeal news broke, already spent $100M to fight AB5, all the while they burnt $2B in their last quarter. And yet their argument is they can't afford to spend $300M to cover driver benefits and pay into state unemployment insurance.
I'm in a non-rideshare field. The law here (AB5) has been a disaster, a total mess. One proof point, workers in a TON of fields have absolutely flooded Sacramento to get exception after exception into this law. This is not a normal principles based law. This a law with "principles" that are so ridiculous that everyone then goes let's carve these random folks. Get a grip. Imagine if we had laws like this elsewhere. It…
Ah yes, the all-powerful bus drivers' union.
Re: Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay
#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
Didn't we already go through this line of reasoning during the industrial revolution? Didn't we already have our muckraking moments to show exactly why this line of reasoning is full of assumptions, totally devoid and dissociated from the actual reality of people's lives?
Where do people go if Uber does not exist?
You literally just linked a craigslist job listing to show indeed that uber is just a choice and they can take great jobs elsewhere.
Re: Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay
#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
Our economy has become so overwhelmingly top heavy that the majority of the population is losing the ability to take part in it. The middle class used to be the mean income, but these days the mean has drifted so far from the mode that the distinction between middle class and lower class has all but vanished. Just taking a brief look at the 2014 census numbers, the mode income was centered around $22,000 a year while…
This information is only useful if it is contrasted against the number of people who want/need/are able to work. People like the retired, teenagers, stay-at-home parents, college students, etc. all may make some small amount of income each year but generally speaking don't work full time. This isn't evidence of people struggling. It is evidence of people exercising their personal rights which include not being a work…
You're suggesting that the retired, teenagers, stay-at-home parents, and college students make up the majority of the US working population? Yeah, not buying that one at all. The US economy is fucked right now, we've been madly spinning the plate to try to keep it going, but it's starting to wobble badly. Unless something major is done soon it's only a question of when not if things start to implode.
Re: Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay
#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think you're gas lighting us by ignoring the fact that this personal risk is taken at personal choice. If someone wanted the arrangement that comes with an employee/employer relationship there are jobs that offer that. But not everyone wants that, some people prefer, for their own reasons that are really none of your business to be an independent contractor. This is about choice plain and simple.
We make choices within contexts other people create.
And your solution is to take away more choices from people?
Re: Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay
#117> Seems like a loss for everyone except bureaucrats Not true, it's a great opportunity for javascript developers to get up on their soap boxes and share with us their moral and economic wisdom.
This made me laugh out loud, lol
Re: Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay
#118Completely anecdotal but I bring this question up every time I drive in an Uber and overwhelmingly the drivers tell me they want to stay independent. No one is forcing drivers into their jobs. I really struggle to understand why we need bureaucrats imposing their idea of what a market should look like on an fairly efficient market. From my experience the drivers are perfectly aware of the costs that go into driving s…
I remember when there was a crackdown on software independent contractors. What most contractors did was go through an agency that managed your services. The difference in pay was usually 20% since the agency took 20% of your pay.
I suspect this will happen ultimately with the drivers - although I can't imagine the drivers will be thrilled with a 20% cut in pay.
Re: Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay
#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
>I was curious about what drivers think. I guess they're not happy [1] but want to be independent contractors still [2]. If the employers don't want the change... and the employees don't want the change... and the customers don't want the change... and the shareholders don't want the change... and the residents of California don't want the change (exhibited by the threads yesterday with outcry over the decision to sh…
I'm not a resident of California (rather, Minnesota), but I do want it to change. I don't use gig services because I think anyone doing 40[1] hours of work deserves a wage they can live off of, along all the other employment protections we've worked so hard to implement. Gig services are cheap because they don't meet that requirement. If gig services were required to meet that minimum wage and workers' rights, then I…
If you don't use gig services, will the gig workers become employees and make more money? Isn't it just as likely that the services will go away and the gig workers will not have a source of income at all?
Re: Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay
#120"Uber and Lyft say drivers prefer the flexibility of working as freelancers, while labor unions and elected officials contend this deprives them of traditional benefits like health insurance and workers’ compensation." I was curious about what drivers think. I guess they're not happy [1] but want to be independent contractors still [2]. 1. https://therideshareguy.com/uber-driver-survey/ 2. (In a May online survey dra…
If the people affected are against the law then how did it make it to a vote, let alone pass? that blows me away.