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Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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> both sides On one side you have police brutalizing journalists and shooting people in the face. On the other side you have not people getting brutalized by the police. Fair and balanced, I'm sure. Or do you think that shooting people in the face is the appropriate police response to property damage?

Is this repo limited to police violence against journalists? I didn't pick up on that if it is.

> Is this repo limited to police violence against journalists?

No, but it does _include_ it. Is it your opinion that only journalists should not be shot in the face? What are your feelings re: knees on necks for 8 minutes and 46 seconds with hands in pockets looking around like nothing's wrong even though the guy with the neck went completely unresponsive minutes before the knee moved? Maybe we should ask how many police necks George Floyd put his knee on.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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If you think there's missing context, submit a pull request with a link?

Here in philly, police insisted they tear gassed protestors because they were in imminent danger. Two weeks later, they failed to find any evidence to support that, despite many camera angles. Finally issued an apology. Turns out the other side of the story was actually the same as the protestors' side; they just didn't want to admit it.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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From what I saw on Twitter, most of the videos alleging police using force without reason were misleading, and leaving out all the footage preceding police action. In cases where others uploaded longer videos or different angles, it was clear that protesters were acting illegally, or ignoring clear verbal warnings, or refusing lawful orders to disperse, and so on. By leaving those crucial additional bits out, activis…

I don't like this US attitude where people think that once police has given an order to do something you have to comply immediately or you can be shot or run over no matter the situation. I just saw a video where protesters were crowding a police and suddenly the car sped up and ran over people because the cops felt "threatened". Thats just not OK.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this repo limited to police violence against journalists? I didn't pick up on that if it is.

> Is this repo limited to police violence against journalists? No, but it does _include_ it. Is it your opinion that only journalists should not be shot in the face? What are your feelings re: knees on necks for 8 minutes and 46 seconds with hands in pockets looking around like nothing's wrong even though the guy with the neck went completely unresponsive minutes before the knee moved? Maybe we should ask how many po…

I don't think any human, regardless of who they are, should be committing violence against any other human. You, and whoever else is downvoting this, are acting is if my comment is pro-police. It is not. It is pro-data.

How can any reasonably intelligent person be against fact-based decision making?

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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You made an account to make vague and unsubstantiated accusations of "an agenda," then call protestors "communist street gangs"? Can you please provide actual reference material to back up either the "agenda" claims or the communism stuff?

A BLM leader has openly admitted to being "trained marxists". [0] [1] [0] https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/blm-co-founder-describes-herse... [1] https://youtu.be/HgEUbSzOTZ8?t=52 All of this from a Google search.

What, exactly, does that have to do with an entirely separate repo showcasing police brutality?

I'm having trouble understanding your line of argument unless you're claiming conspiracy and that this repo is in fact being ran by secret marxists. Or that all of the protesters are actually marxists. Which is insanity.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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I think at the very least the title should be Git Repo of Alleged Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests.

Like another commenter downthread, I spent some time looking through incident reports in my own State, and found some of them to either be simply unsubstantiated claims, or videos of police reasonably appearing to be doing the very dangerous job of managing a riot.

There are valid concerns of the validity and objectivity of many of these alleged incident reports. By commingling the few truly reprehensible actions with objectively necessary riot control, the site loses its objectivity and fairness, and does harm to its intended goal. In Reddit parlance, it becomes a circle jerk.

I think the fundamental problem with many of these incidents is that the provocation of rioting has been used, not in all cases but certainly in many, to incite a police response which is then filmed and condemned as if unprovoked or unnecessary.

The vast majority of police are heroes. And every community depends on their police to provide a mission critical service. The ability of police to provide this service in cities like Minneapolis and NYC has been dramatically curtailed by a violent political uprising which has damaged billions of dollars of property and driven homicide rates up nearly 100% year over year.

IMO the fatal flaw in the response to protests against police is to send police to stand in front of them and take the abuse. You don’t put protesters and counter-protests next to each other to face off. It seems to me particularly unfair and indignant to have black police officers on the line being screamed at by white protesters about Black Lives Matter, to stand silently while they are verbally denigrated and abused for doing their job, which can lawfully include using force to disperse a riot. If the target of a large protest is the police themselves, the National Guard should be called in to provide crowd control and defend life and property if needed. This has the double benefit of not providing a standing target for the protesters ire, and not creating a self-fulfilling prophecy / feedback loop of aggression.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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> a man's age does not give him license to block police who have given orders to disperse Giving orders to disperse to does not give police a license to physically assault civilians without provocation. > if the man had been 20 years younger his stumble would not have resulted in a fall Is this supposed to be exculpatory? If I throw peanuts on someone with a peanut allergy, is "they would have been fine had they not…

>Giving orders to disperse to does not give police a license to physically assault civilians without provocation Do you expect police to just stand around and wait until people feel like following lawful orders? Should they carry around lollipops to hand out for people who follow directions? >Is this supposed to be exculpatory? If I throw peanuts on someone with a peanut allergy, is "they would have been fine had the…

Stipendium peccati mors est, eh? For a nation I love dearly for its stated stance on liberty, there is quite the undercurrent of authoritarianism here.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Just a reminder that none of this is factual or evidence. It COULD be, but just because somebody writes something doesn't make it true. You are not given any of the context of what happened in these situations. If there's video the video starts when the conflict is already full swing, you're not seeing anything that led up to the situation. You can read "Police showed up and fired tear gas and agitated the crowd and…

> You are not given any of the context of what happened in these situations...You can read "Police showed up and fired tear gas and agitated the crowd and caused violence", but you're not told WHY they fired tear gas. You're not given the context as to what happened.

Oh, it's you again. I remember you from the previous thread where you said similar things in the face of piles of evidence. Hi. Here's a post. Not for you, because you don't read or respond to evidence in good faith, but maybe for someone else...

Here are two full-length filled-with-context videos of the police fucking up a crowd of people in Seattle without provocation.

First is an aerial view of Seattle PD spraying, bombing, and gassing a crowd of peaceful protesters with zero provocation. It starts with one cop trying to steal (theft) a protester's pink umbrella (destroying their private property in the process. whoops, I wonder who will pay for that?) and then the cops next to him start pepper spraying the crowd that was literally just standing still chanting. Then they shoot explosives into the crowd. Then they shoot gas.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/gv0ru3/this_is_the...

Not sure what you saw? You saw a cop attempt to rob a protester resulting in the destruction of their private property. Then you saw a person trying to hold onto their property as they're pulled over the fence because a cop just assaulted them. Then you saw the police immediately start spraying and bombing and gassing, with the flimsiest excuse, an entire crowd of people for the horrendous crime of peaceful assembly.

Second is the same scene up close and personal. The action begins at 26:30 where the person filming explains how to recognize that the police planned to initiate violence from the start.

https://www.facebook.com/omarisal/videos/10220021035848747/?...

Again, this isn't for you, because you don't faithfully read responses or watch the videos. But who knows, maybe someone else does.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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If you think there's missing context, submit a pull request with a link? Here in philly, police insisted they tear gassed protestors because they were in imminent danger. Two weeks later, they failed to find any evidence to support that, despite many camera angles. Finally issued an apology. Turns out the other side of the story was actually the same as the protestors' side; they just didn't want to admit it.

Missing context implies that their failure to provide it was an oversight. There was not even an attempt at providing context here, because doing so would be unpopular.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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> You can read "Police showed up and fired tear gas and agitated the crowd and caused violence", but you're not told WHY they fired tear gas. You're not given the context as to what happened. Police have body cameras and vehicle cameras that can provide much of the rest of the context. The public doesn't have access to that video and the police don't release it save when it reinforces their narrative. If the police w…

In the current environment, I’m not so sure. I was really negative on the St. Louis couple that pulled guns on protesters... until I learned the “peaceful” protesters were on private property and had already destroyed an iron gate and were threatening to burn down their house. None of those latter facts were easily available until I dug deeper into the story. The New York Times story that shows up when I Google menti…

If your narrative is correct, then the couple almost certainly would have been served better by documenting the violence and destruction themselves rather than coming off like armed idiots.
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