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Is Dark Mode Such a Good Idea?

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Re: Is Dark Mode Such a Good Idea?

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No one seems to be mentioning the lighting of the room you're in, inside/outside, or the time of day. Ambient light is one of the primary factors that make light or dark mode better at a particular moment. See redshift to make light mode more tolerable at night.

F.lux deserves a mention

I’ve been using Flux for a decade and it was my saviour from headaches and eye strain. Before that I was experimenting with dark themes and after running into f.lux I never really needed to. Im usually ok with whatever default theme is. I’been using f-lux at the lowest temperature and my eye strain never came back.

Re: Is Dark Mode Such a Good Idea?

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post #47

Part of the reason I like dark mode is because it looks "computery". I grew with Hercules Monochrome monitors (green on black), and that's always been a comfortable color scheme for me. In my Turbo Pascal days, I began to have an affinity for white text over blue backgrounds. I believe it was during the days of Windows 3.0 (1990) was when white backgrounds became the norm, and we've been stuck with that for over 3 de…

I'll never understand what happened about that time period. We went from the idea of "try minimize eye strain" to "fsck it! White looks great! Let's stare at light bulbs all day!". Grey backgrounds are a lot softer on the eyes.

I'm still running black text on light grey as my primary colour scheme for text editing since AmigaDOS 2.0 in the 90s. Seriously.

Re: Is Dark Mode Such a Good Idea?

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post #5

They taught us this in advertising. White text scatters over the iris on a dark background, so it’s harder to read the copy. I’ve even read it in UX articles. It was amusing to get out of school and into the tech industry to find dark mode everywhere. Granted, I use it too. Both my terminal and editor have dark themes. I’m not really sure why. The terminal isn’t really a big deal to me. I could go either way there. B…

If science says I'd be more productive with a light theme, then we need better science. "On a biological level, our eyes prefer the contrast between a light background and dark foreground." On a biological level, our eyes prefer not to stare at a light source all day every day. Yet here we are.

That's a bit like saying stereo speakers are too loud. That's why we adjust the volume very frequently.

For monitors, you should be adjusting the brightness frequently and in accordance with the ambient light level.

If you do that, you should perceive the background of your light mode content as neutral and so inoffensive that you don't even notice it.

Re: Is Dark Mode Such a Good Idea?

#114

"Is Dark Mode Such a Good Idea?" Yes, it is. One thing is reading a newspaper in which text amounts to a good percentage of the available area, and the rest reflects ambient light, and a whole different thing is a screen with some text in the middle and the free area emitting white light right to my eyes, de facto saturating them. I would never read a white text on black paper newspaper, neither in the dark nor in th…

Emitted light isn't a problem per se, because reflected photons aren't somehow radically different from emitted ones. Color and brightness profile is the problem. On a display, you have to have high contrast and brightness for images (that have lots of darker areas), so the system interface is in turn tuned for this high brightness—and then you have to deal with bright white under text.

Note how text on e-ink is excellently readable but photos look like crap—since they aren't carefully selected and adjusted for the medium like in print.

On screens, black text on a-bit-gray-with-a-hint-of-red is better, like here on HN, though still not the same. I wonder if it's possible to get close to paper/e-ink colors on an LCD/OLED screen, or the backlight's color profile is too different (apparently LEDs emit narrow bands of wavelengths, which might be harsher for the eyes—while sunlight and incandescent lights have all or most of the visible spectrum).

Re: Is Dark Mode Such a Good Idea?

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post #76

Apparently light-on-dark is terrible if the person has astigmatism: the edges get very blurry and doubled. There was an article on HN about this, specifically about keynote slides. Also apparently “in Europe and Asia, astigmatism affects between 30 and 60% of adults” (says Wikipedia). I have it too, and couldn't figure out in the past why text sometimes looks horribly blurry and sometimes doesn't. With this knowledge…

Wow, this explains so much. I use a light color scheme (think default Eclipse theme) in my editor, even during late night coding binges, because I can see the text more clearly. I also have an astigmatism. Maybe related, text rendering affects me tremendously as well, like Windows/Linux text rendering forces me to squint even when the text is normal sized; but I don't have to squint on Mac OS.

> I also have an astigmatism

Even without one, the brighter background will constrict your pupils more, giving you a wider field of view and better focus.

Re: Is Dark Mode Such a Good Idea?

#116
"Dark Mode" needs to be implemented on the hardware side, not the software side.

At the end of the day the idea is to minimize brightness to:

-Save energy -Reduce Eye Strain -Reduce blue light emission

However, there is lots of research suggesting, that Dark Mode is more of a placebo than it actually works. There is already a set of new display technologies being developed that have the benefits of "Dark Mode" without the need of extra software, namley E-Paper technology and RLCD. Those are having several advantages over "old" Display technologies: https://imgur.com/a/oPhIu6A

Dark mode, blue light blocking glasses, etc. are just part of a bigger trend nameley the shrinking backlight industry in the display industry.

There are some intersting players developing backlight free screens already and in 5-10 years it will be the standard. Also in terms of screen economics, not even mentioning the material and energy savings.

The thing is, that our body/eye has been trained for thousands of years to work with reflective light (to see things/objects through the light reflection of the sun). The screen trend to look directly into backlight over the past decades is very unnatural to our body/vision and caused many problems. We need a screen technology that is very aligned with on how our body is designed and works.

Big players in the display market are realizing this and building alternatives. Big players include Sharp, Lenovo, BOE Technologies, JDI, Flex Lightning, Hisense, ONYX, Dasung etc.

You can read about screen alternatives (like eink and rlcd) here: https://www.reddit.com/r/eink/comments/h179j5/new_eink_alter...

PS: There was recently aready a Tablet released with the new RLCD screen technolgoy by BOE-Technologies, check here: https://boingboing.net/2020/06/11/tablet-with-high-refresh-r...

Re: Is Dark Mode Such a Good Idea?

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From the comments here I am amazed that many people don't know about brightness controls.

We don't listen to our music at 90+% volume always (and then complain that we need amute mode). That would be absurd since there is a volume control that can be used to set the sound output to a level that's just enough louder than the ambient noise level that we can hear as much detail of the music as we like.

For displays, we have brightness control which serves the same purpose.

With proper brightness adjustment, light mode can and should be very comfortable and natural in all but extremely dark environments.

Re: Is Dark Mode Such a Good Idea?

#119
I prefer dark mode simply because the dirt/dust/fingerprints on my glasses show more while looking at bright screens. Looking at dark screens I don't notice my glasses being dirty at all. I find it inconvenient to wash my glasses more than once a day, and because of the terribly uncommon shape of my eyes, I can't afford contacts even with my vision "insurance".

Re: Is Dark Mode Such a Good Idea?

#120
After reading this article from Nielsen about the size of usability studies [1] their research credibility has gone down for me. According to the article, no matter the size of a user base:

"... the answer is simple: test 5 users in a usability study. Testing with 5 people lets you find almost as many usability problems as you'd find using many more test participants."

Oh wait, but my site has millions of users!

"Doesn't matter for the sample size, even if you were doing statistics."

Even if you were doing statistics? What does it even mean lol... it just sounds to me they want to justify whatever "studies" they've have in their library. I'd say, unless a Nielsen study is replicated and double checked, probably (pun intended :-p) their studies shouldn't be taken very seriously.

1: https://www.nngroup.com/articles/how-many-test-users/

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