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Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by rumanator »

theredbox wrote: post #107

As someone who is not an american nor a chinese nor from a big European nation this is all frightening to watch. It's an invisible war of nations and we dont really have a clue about allegiances nor what is right or wrong. Sure as a european I feel more connected to the US but at the same time I feel very much excluded from that larger sphere protection and benefits. The US needs a framework for smaller nations where…

> It's an invisible war of nations and we dont really have a clue about allegiances nor what is right or wrong.

I don't see any doubt regarding "allegiance". The Chinese regime is a totalitarian nightmare that not only became a massive surveillance state but also has a long track record of human rights abuse and extrajudicial assassinations. Between what the West enjoyed in the past half century and the oppressive hell that countries have endured in the hands of the Chinese regime, the choice is pretty clear, even if we take into account Putin's pull on Trump.

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ericmay wrote: post #103
saiya-jin wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Man, I get your point, they did/are doing tons of bad stuff. But so is every-fucking-body else, everywhere. Industrial espionage is a thing for more than a century, everybody tries to steal whatever they can, even US from Europe and vice versa. US secret services help their own private companies get an edge (for some other favors obviously), and so do other secret services. Friendships among nations is a very relativ…

So in that case, then it's surely fine to just block Huawei. It's just a continuation of the same shenanigans that "everybody is doing". Right? I think there are certain lines that aren't supposed to be crossed. You'll notice in the U.S. that Uber and Levandowski were sued by Waymo. Why? Because they stole source code. If "everybody is doing it" surely Waymo would just chalk it up to business as usual right? I guess…

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Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by evancox100 »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #69

> Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross told Fox Business “there has been a very highly technical loophole through which Huawei has been in able, in effect, to use U.S. technology with foreign fab producers.” Ross called the rule change a “highly tailored thing to try to correct that loophole.” This is very vague. Does anyone understand what they are talking about?

The “loophole” was this:

“Under the new rule, any foreign company that uses American technology to produce microchips would need a license to sell to Huawei. That makes it difficult for major chip contract manufacturers like Taiwan’s T.S.M.C. to sell to Huawei, because its supply chains rely heavily on American manufacturing tools. It could also clamp down on sales by makers of semiconductor equipment, like Applied Materials and KLA, and chip design software companies like Cadence.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/15/business/economy/commerce...

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Post by gpm »

emiliobumachar wrote: post #82
ilaksh wrote: post #57

What is it that is actually preventing this from escalating to a hot war? It feels like we are just waiting for China to manufacture enough warships and nukes or killer drones or AGI with spiking neural networks or whatever can give them an edge so that a real war can start. It's even a war in the comments section. I don't think it's safe. How do we really know it can't progress to some kind of overt military activit…

I'm all for colonizing Mars, but it will remain less hospitable than Earth even if we descend into total nuclear war.

I don't think I agree. Mars has a lot of things going for it that Earth doesn't.

For one their are no explosions, or people with guns. On mars you don't have to worry about people trying to steal your shit because it's valuable (or "necessary for the national defense"), and you don't have to worry about being collateral damage during the war.

On mars there aren't earthquakes, hurricanes, tornadoes, mudslides, tsunamis, floods, volcanoes, lightning strikes, forest fires, and basically any other natural disaster that I missed except sandstorms. When you build a static structure on mars you can expect it to last basically forever, when you build one on earth it has a relatively short halflife. When your static structures become extremely valuable and difficult to replace because you need them to grow your food and you don't have the manufacturing capability to build more, I'd rather be one mars.

On mars you can reliably avoid radiation by putting enough "stuff" (water, soil, whatever) between you and the sun. On earth after a nuclear war it would be coming from everywhere exposed to the atmosphere (in the shortish term).

On mars you get to plan for the hardships while the pre-nuclear-war earth manufacturing base is still functioning. On earth you don't know when the nuclear war is going to happen, or what portions of the earth it's going to glass, so that becomes much more difficult.

On the downside, the martian atmosphere is actually deadly to humans (since it's nearly a vacuum), while the post nuclear war atmosphere is likely only ... very hazardous. Mars has no native plants so you have to be entirely self sufficient inside your colonies, while the post-nuclear war earth colonies could forage for (mildly radioactive) food in emergencies.

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Post by Reason077 »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #70
bildung wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will be very surprised if Huawei would be found guilty of anything. The company plays an important role in actually defining the 5G standard as a member of 3GPP, and holds 3 times the number of 5G patents than Qualcomm. I mean, look at the number of contributions to the 5G standards by company in this document, and compare the positions of Huawei, Qualcomm and Cisco: https://www.iplytics.com/wp-content/uploads/2019…

worked for a main competitor of Huawei building UMTS/LTE base stations which at the time weren't even properly standardized (early systems design). Searched for my own name on github. Found source code I wrote for said vendor which was taken from somebody who worked for our Hangzhou office and had access to the same internal VCS[1] as me. The guy downloaded anything he had access to then moved to Huawei and from ther…

> "And by the way they are _not_ the leader in 5G."

You can argue that Ericsson and Nokia are equals to Huawei in 5G technology. But Huawei are by far the leaders in 5G equipment sales.

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Post by patentatt »

ilaksh wrote: post #57

What is it that is actually preventing this from escalating to a hot war? It feels like we are just waiting for China to manufacture enough warships and nukes or killer drones or AGI with spiking neural networks or whatever can give them an edge so that a real war can start. It's even a war in the comments section. I don't think it's safe. How do we really know it can't progress to some kind of overt military activit…

I'd even go so far as to say a hot war is inevitable. Not because of any particular reason, but because the US and China are the only superpowers left. And if there's one thing power doesn't like, it's sharing. My very simplified view is that war happens when more than one 'power' axis vies for control of some sort of a geographic area. We're at a point in history where the last remaining relevant geographic area is the whole world, and the primary axis of power are China and the US. I don't think humanity has the capability of avoiding war in such a situation.

I'll even venture into complete speculation, and posit that WWIII will be fought over, and largely in, Africa. In many ways Africa represents the last frontier on earth, with great natural resources but largely behind in many areas of development and not 'controlled' by either China or the US. South America would also be a potential hot zone, but it's too close to the US. China has realized this already and is investing heavily in Africa, while the US just in the last decade established Africom. Once the US' focus on the middle easy wanes a bit with oil decreasing in relevance, they'll turn their focus to somewhere else. The only reason the middle easy didn't turn into WWIII is because of the relatively powerful players in the area, including Israel, Saudi, Iran, and formerly Iraq. Large enough to hold their own, but not so large that they individually pose a threat to the US hegemony. That, and china wasn't really a relevant player in the world-war starting game until the 80's or 90's or so, and kind of missed the whole middle east war phase. But they're ahead of the game in Africa, and are establishing control there already. And as China transitions from developing country to rich country, they will, in turn, need overseas territories to vassalize themselves. So, there's my wild prediction, that WWIII will happen between the US and China as primary axis of power, sparked over something to do with Africa, right around the time when oil is no longer the US' middle-eastern siren song that it is today. Maybe in 20-30 years or so. Also around the time that millennials will be in the 'old guard', and have no living memory (on a broad, population-scale level) of how horrific war really is. Boomers had the WWII generation still hanging around to warn them off of WWIII, and they still nearly got us there.

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Post by DyslexicAtheist »

mindslight wrote: post #104
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

worked for a main competitor of Huawei building UMTS/LTE base stations which at the time weren't even properly standardized (early systems design). Searched for my own name on github. Found source code I wrote for said vendor which was taken from somebody who worked for our Hangzhou office and had access to the same internal VCS[1] as me. The guy downloaded anything he had access to then moved to Huawei and from ther…

This is classic disruptive innovation at nation state scale. Imaginary property only worked when all jurisdictions agreed to follow the same rules, and could enforce these rules onto individual actors. Obviously China isn't playing by these rules and has no desire to play by these rules, regardless of any lip service paid. So we can either adjust our own philosophies to better match how the real world operates. Or we…

maybe in hindsight it's always easy to spot the problem. but the tragedy here is that we're feeling the effects of lost opportunities and mistakes that were made already 15-20 years ago. We had a window of opportunity when China was still coming up to give them a carrot/stick treatment and force them to either reform in exchange for export opportunities or remain isolated. The same mistakes were made with Russia (that window closed around 2002-2004). The US has been just one foreign policy blunder after another unfortunately.

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by amd-bull »

the last time we effectively blocked china from acquiring tunneling machines, they ended up building their own, a mean feat, and now they're looking to start exporting them! disrupting the market economy has a vicious way of getting back at ya [0] http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1121448.shtml

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Post by DarthGhandi »

jtdev wrote: post #88
boomboomsubban wrote: post #60

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>With the perspective of COVID19, China seems like a threat to the global community This does not make any sense to me. Though I do not approve of all of the actions China took at the start of the pandemic, I can not understand how you can consider them a threat over it. Also McDonald's?

Have you not considered that China made an exerted effort to withhold information about COVID19 from the world... How is that not an act of aggression? Hundreds of thousands dead... Golden Arches Theory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lexus_and_the_Olive_Tree

There's evidence it was in Europe long before it was ever noticed in China.

Was France and Italy covering it up to harm the planet? There was an irregularly high number of pneumonia deaths in Italy oct/nov 2019 and yet you won't see a single person alleging it's a conspiracy.

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