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Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by syshum »

baybal2 wrote: post #95
jakear wrote: post #2

What a wild ride this has been. Looking at the police report, I do wonder what the punishment would be in other countries. It seems the victims were laying drunk on the ground in dark clothing at top a hill (edit: hill not mentioned in police report, but seems logical given the headlight statement), causing the headlight beams to not illuminate them. On top of that, incoming traffic blinded the driver. This is of cou…

This is the very reason Russians buy dashcams by tonnes. Sold few thousands of them to Russian retailers at around 2008-2009, when I worked in a trade company in Singapore. Previously they were used by Taiwanese taxis to record what's going on inside the car. Russian's immediately found an inventive use for it, and instead made them to videolog what's going on in front of the car.

Everyone should have a dashcam.. I have had installed them in all of my cars fro the better part of a decade now. I am in the US

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

#112

Post by tasuki »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #93
robbrown451 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe the person lying on the street should shoulder some of the blame. I do think courts in other parts of the world would have seen a lot of mitigating factors.

I think that it’s better to stop victim-blaming. There’s no reason to assume that in this case justice failed. Russian courts aren’t perfect, but they are not worse than anywhere but few countries.

Does the person who was lying on the street drunk bear no responsibility? Is it the case they bear no responsibility because they turned out to be a victim afterwards?

I'm not sure I understand the concept of "victim-blaming". If a bank robber gets hurt during a bank robbery, will you say they're a victim and shouldn't be blamed for the bank robbery?

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by syshum »

dredmorbius wrote: post #87
overeater wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Those people chose to do something bad. The programmer was not doing anything intentionally wrong.

In 2020 hindsight, operating a motor vehicle in conditions and a manner resulting in the death of a human being represents at the least negligence. Circumstances as described possibly mitigating some aspects of this, but driving (or motorcycle riding) is an inherently and widely known dangerous activity. Situational awareness is a requisite practice.

So you can not envision any scenario where a person could "operate a motor vehicle in conditions and a manner resulting in the death of a human being" being completely avoidable accident?

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

#114

Post by syshum »

cycomanic wrote: post #100
SaxonRobber wrote: post #66

Jesus npm is a cancerous dumpster fire. Guy must have been a saint to continue maintaining the project in spite of all of entitled "developers" using his package and scolding him for DARING TO ASK FOR A DIME.

Actually, while I think npm is the worst example, I am of the opinion that this is the largest issue facing OSS today. Companies using lots of OSS packages without ever giving back a dime. The argument is always that this helps developers get a job, but often enough the jobs don't allow the developers to work full time on those packages, but they are still somehow expected to continue the work in their past-time. The…

Which is the direct result of abandoning CopyLeft licensing moving towards the BSD / MIT license model that creates the climate your speaking of.

I firmly believe that Linux had not used GPL it would not be anywhere as big as it is today

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by joecool1029 »

ssijak wrote: post #59

What if the person lying on the road survived and the person driving the motorbike died. Would the person lying on the road be charged for manslaughter? And if yes, how is this situation different to shift the blame from one person to another.

At least in US there's a pedestrian's duty of care that's involved in determinations like this. A pedestrian could be found guilty of negligence and the burden shifts to them partially or in full depending on the state and the exact circumstances. Examples could include intentionally running into traffic, attempting to disrupt traffic, or even things like ignoring walk signals. However, in the last case it's unlikely that would relieve a driver of their duty of care as they'd still be in a crosswalk, it would just usually reduce the portion of their liability and move some onto the pedestrian... in some places (like NY). That type of scenario probably would have played out in this case for the states that have compensatory systems, but I'm really not 100% sure once it involves death.

I think even Russia has this situation covered if you can prove on a camera that someone intentionally jumped out in front of you. It's just way less open to interpretation by the court.

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by enitihas »

The entitlement in that thread is mind blowing. A lot of people who are complaining about there being only a single maintainer, seem to have no open source contribution history on github. If the project is important to so many people, they sure didn't show it by donating to the maintainer. Saying XYZ project is important to me, and there should be some js foundation taking care of it, (implicitly also saying I have zero intention of making any effort) sounds too hard to believe unless you see this in real life.

As Joe Biden said:

"Don't tell me what you value, show me your budget, and I'll tell you what you value."

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

nostromo wrote: post #17
jakear wrote: post #2

What a wild ride this has been. Looking at the police report, I do wonder what the punishment would be in other countries. It seems the victims were laying drunk on the ground in dark clothing at top a hill (edit: hill not mentioned in police report, but seems logical given the headlight statement), causing the headlight beams to not illuminate them. On top of that, incoming traffic blinded the driver. This is of cou…

If you'll permit a tangent, there are a lot of drunk pedestrian fatalities. I don't think we talk enough about the risk of drunk walking. Over one third of pedestrians killed in the US each year have been drinking too much to drive. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/08/05/drunk-...

Isn't that also because of how the US seems to be mostly designed for driving, not so much for pedestrians or cyclists? I mean I was in a suburb in Michigan once, walking to a nearby shop there were just no sidewalks.

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by joecool1029 »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #93
robbrown451 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe the person lying on the street should shoulder some of the blame. I do think courts in other parts of the world would have seen a lot of mitigating factors.

I think that it’s better to stop victim-blaming. There’s no reason to assume that in this case justice failed. Russian courts aren’t perfect, but they are not worse than anywhere but few countries.

>I think that it’s better to stop victim-blaming.

Let's say instead someone gets ripshit drunk and drives the wrong way down a highway in a smartcar. A snowplow runs into them, can't avoid. Kills drunk driver, truck's damaged only slightly.

Who's the victim?

The trucker's still got to live knowing they killed someone. Has to pay for damage to their truck. Dead person doesn't have to deal with emotional trauma or bills, they're dead.

Where cases like this get complicated is whether the driver killing the other driver abandoned their duty of care and contributed to causing the collision. Maybe the trucker was texting, now in some states he'd share some of the burden for this collision.

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by dredmorbius »

syshum wrote: post #113
dredmorbius wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In 2020 hindsight, operating a motor vehicle in conditions and a manner resulting in the death of a human being represents at the least negligence. Circumstances as described possibly mitigating some aspects of this, but driving (or motorcycle riding) is an inherently and widely known dangerous activity. Situational awareness is a requisite practice.

So you can not envision any scenario where a person could "operate a motor vehicle in conditions and a manner resulting in the death of a human being" being completely avoidable accident?

Your question seems unclearly phrased and with a literal meaning at odds with its tone.

But yes: a proper respect for circimstances and situation might have avoided the accident.

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by bouncycastle »

40four wrote: post #23
nl wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't read the full coverage, but it does appear it occurred at a pedestrian crossing, and there doesn't appear to be any dispute that it was properly signposted. Most countries require greater care at pedestrian crossings.

I don’t know man. I’m sorry I don’t know the language, looks like Russian? Or something closely related? But based on the parent comment translation, and the translation on the issue page, I’m not sure we should be quick to condemn this person. The court report says he was going 60kph. That’s barley over 35mph, a normal speed limit for city streets. So it appears he was not speeding. If it really was a drunk guy, lit…

I've been driving around Poland a bit, one of the things I always watch out for are drunk guys on.tbe road at night. It could happen that one passed out in the middle while crossing.

My uncle told me a story once how he stopped just in front of one, and the only reason why he saw him was because of a reflection from an incoming car didn't look right on the road surface. His intuition is quite good as he's an experienced driver. He just said he slammed on the breaks because it looked funny. I never forget that story and always make sure that I can completely see the surface I'm driving on. I'd imagine it would be the same thing quite common in Russia, or anywhere really... Especially around crossings

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