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Re: Russia blocks ProtonMail

#111

Many commenters seem to miss the most important point here. If users from Russia can't access ProtonMail - that's not that much of a deal. But if mail from ProtonMail stops reaching Russian email addresses - @mail.ru, @yandex.ru are as common in Russia as @gmail.com - that's a big problem for ProtonMail and its users.

If you're in russia and you're using an email address at a .ru TLD... you're doing it wrong.

How many US citizens are using a US-based email provider?

Re: Russia blocks ProtonMail

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>Well, that in my eyes is a very solid advertising in favour of ProtonMail. In context of 5/9/14+ eyes, the nomenclature of solid advertising might differ from your interpretation, where perceptions matter ─ ranging from honeypots, compromised Tor exit nodes to dubious VPN providers, absence of warrant canaries to flawed encryption products etc. It is probably best to exercise caution and remain sceptical, rather tha…

We all work with incomplete information and we have to deal with that every day. Your comment to me reads like "you can be killed by a micro-meteorite if you go out so stay in an underground bunker". Of course there are flawed VPNs and honeypot Tor nodes out there. The fight to track people and censor information is ongoing 24/7 around the globe. Random event or not, if a government feels that it has to plug a leak a…

>if a government feels that it has to plug a leak instead of pwn it then to me this means they chose the lesser evil and they really cannot crack ProtonMail.

The government does not need to tell you anything and when it says it can't 'break' something, try and remember ─ you can dance like nobody is watching, but make sure you encrypt like everybody is watching.

Re: Russia blocks ProtonMail

#113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're in russia and you're using an email address at a .ru TLD... you're doing it wrong.

How many US citizens are using a US-based email provider?

The country of business is pretty important, but the point I'm making has less to do with that and more to do with control over a country's TLD.

Re: Russia blocks ProtonMail

#114

Well, that in my eyes is a very solid advertising in favour of ProtonMail. And it's not like Russians, Chinese and generally people in countries whose governments are in the habit of censoring the internet aren't used to using Tor and/or VPNs to dodge censorship.

I would be very surprised if certain agencies wouldn't have a nice search box for any content on ProtonMail (as it is for Gmail, etc if we believe Snowden).

Remember Lavabit.

Re: Russia blocks ProtonMail

#115
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And if those bomb threats proved right and people get killed? Would you still praise Proton for not working with Law enforcement?

I would. It's not Protonmail who's to be blamed for the potential attack and deaths. There are series of events that lead to people deciding to be terrorists. I'd focus on those reasons rather than hotfixing stuff by exposing 99.9% of other Protonmail users. I would never opt in to affect 99.9% of users because of 0.01% of users. We are all educated enough through events in recent history that clearly tell us how sim…

Following up on the "bombs and guns and explosives" comment: 1) protonmail should not be guilty in the same sense the bus drivers that drove the two buses where two terrorists rode, should also not be guilty 2) to orchestrate an attack it takes "a long time", you need plenty of money, guns/ explosives, you need the training, you need the storage, you need the know-how..

there are so many steps in that process where someone can be busted.. also keep in mind that most terrorist organisation are already infiltrated, and the "agents" are just waiting for the right time to bust them (not too early so they have enough evidence/they learn more about the connections/ resources) and not so late that there is a chance for the attack to go through.

This is why London attacks wete effective, it was lone wolves.

Every time I see in the news that "a bomb failed to go off and X arrests were made" I feel that the 3-letter-agencies gave "them" playdoh instead of .

Re: Russia blocks ProtonMail

#116
post #114

Well, that in my eyes is a very solid advertising in favour of ProtonMail. And it's not like Russians, Chinese and generally people in countries whose governments are in the habit of censoring the internet aren't used to using Tor and/or VPNs to dodge censorship.

I would be very surprised if certain agencies wouldn't have a nice search box for any content on ProtonMail (as it is for Gmail, etc if we believe Snowden). Remember Lavabit.

The difference was that number one Lavabit was made by a US citizen, and its servers were in the USA. Number two, Lavabit kept all keys to your email at their own premises and could de-crypt your email on their side. Protonmail cannot do so, because your password is a part of they key to decrypt email, and they do not know it, nor they can crack it in a reasonable amount of time, so AFAIK there is nothing they can provide LE with to decrypt your email on the go.

Re: Russia blocks ProtonMail

#117
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I hope so. When the phone system was manually-operated switch boards, should the phone companies have been responsible for listening to every call and reporting suspicious activity to the police?

That's not the same scenario. Your scenario involves listening to everyone. The GP's scenario involves listening to a specific person with probable cause.

I hate this argument. So there was no crime before email? If you have pc, go get a wire tap or install microphones in their house or get an informant to infiltrate. Police work is hard and requires work but it is also what grants us presumption of innocence.

Re: Russia blocks ProtonMail

#118

Many commenters seem to miss the most important point here. If users from Russia can't access ProtonMail - that's not that much of a deal. But if mail from ProtonMail stops reaching Russian email addresses - @mail.ru, @yandex.ru are as common in Russia as @gmail.com - that's a big problem for ProtonMail and its users.

The only reason ProtonMail is blocked is desire of Russian authorities to access contents of ProtonMail user's emails, which ProtonMail didn't consent to.

Since the authorities have access to mail.ru emails, their wishes can be partially fulfilled only if mail.ru continues to receive mail from ProtonMail. So I'd bet it'll still work.

Re: Russia blocks ProtonMail

#119

Many commenters seem to miss the most important point here. If users from Russia can't access ProtonMail - that's not that much of a deal. But if mail from ProtonMail stops reaching Russian email addresses - @mail.ru, @yandex.ru are as common in Russia as @gmail.com - that's a big problem for ProtonMail and its users.

If you're in russia and you're using an email address at a .ru TLD... you're doing it wrong.

What's the problem with .ru?

Re: Russia blocks ProtonMail

#120

It isn't just Russia. Every major country is increasing surveillance drastically. As for smaller countries, well they're probably covertly manipulated by the bigger powers to such an extent that their claim for privacy is valid only so long as you don't cross one of the big powers. And if all else fails, it seems outright bans are being increasingly used. The best way to pushback against this would be if all of us wo…

Every country is increasing surveillance, but Russia is one of the few big economies where authorities don't give a shit about laws, even changing the Constitution in a few days to keep the dictator in power.
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