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Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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CapitalistCartr wrote: post #39
k__ wrote: post #7

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I once read, kids need fathers to learn interaction with people who are not their mother. I think, this is where the "atomic family" breaks down. Only having one person for this job, is simply too high of a risk. We should go back to a bigger type of family, so kids can have more people in their early lifes that fill this role, so when one leaves, there are still many left.

The nuclear family became American dogma after WW2, and it most benefits corporations and a growth economy. Prior to this modern age most people didn't have the resources to move willy-nilly. Even during the Great Migration, people moved in large groups from the Old World to the New, landing in ethnic neighborhoods. Whole villages uprooted. While there are benefits, having no support net (in the USA), has huge downsi…

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Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by microcolonel »

fwip wrote: post #83
datashow wrote: post #78

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I just happened to read a story where an Asian was killed while two blacks trying to steal laptop from him https://abc7news.com/5811847 The story mentioned one suspect's sister saying " I have 4 kids and no daddy in their lives ". I simply can't understand this. One kid , I can understand. But four? ... Four (Add: non has daddy present)? I just have too many questions. Add: I interpreted "no daddy in their lives" as…

You can't understand someone having four kids?

Four kids as a baby mama, I'm guessing. A couple with an extended family can handle four kids, but an individual who may not be all that tight with anyone who can keep an eye on the kids... Well, chances are they'll fail at a lot of important things.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by datashow »

scarface74 wrote: post #96
datashow wrote: post #78

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I just happened to read a story where an Asian was killed while two blacks trying to steal laptop from him https://abc7news.com/5811847 The story mentioned one suspect's sister saying " I have 4 kids and no daddy in their lives ". I simply can't understand this. One kid , I can understand. But four? ... Four (Add: non has daddy present)? I just have too many questions. Add: I interpreted "no daddy in their lives" as…

I wonder if you would feel the same way if it was a good Middle American Catholic Family....

"and no daddy in their lives". I thought the context was obvious.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by fwip »

datashow wrote: post #104
fwip wrote: post #83

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You can't understand someone having four kids?

No. Non of them has father present. I thought the context was obvious.

Currently, no. We don't know what the situation was like when they were having kids.

The dad (or dads) might not be around for a lot of reasons. Maybe they divorced five years after the last kid was born, maybe he got arrested, maybe he died.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by zchrykng »

wjn0 wrote: post #73
zchrykng wrote: post #58

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The higher crime rates leading to higher incarceration rates is probably a bigger factor than "white racism". Edit: Making this edit to clarify what I'm trying to say, since several responses has tipped me off to how it could be read. Being black doesn't have anything to do with committing more crimes. Higher crime rates is much more a factor of economic and family status. Both of which are negatively impacted by hig…

> higher crime rates Source? Everything I've read suggests that crime rates are pretty much the same across race and ethnicity when controlling for economic status. The primary variable is contact with the justice system, i.e. getting caught.

Everything I've read also indicates that it is mostly or entirely driven by economic status. White people who grow up poor and/or with single mothers are also highly likely to end up in prison compared to the normal population.

This isn't about ethnicity, it is about economics and culture. It only disproportionately affects black people because of historical trends and welfare programs decades back that encouraged single parent homes, as was said in other comments.

Re: Black boys don’t need more discipline, they need mentors (2018)

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Post by galangalalgol »

jenkins6g wrote: post #30
maxaf wrote: post #3

Or, you know, fathers. Half of success in fatherhood comes from simply showing up. Absentee fathers contribute to the generational erosion of the family fabric that is almost impossible to undo.

Agreed, but as a black man who grew up fatherless be mindful why black fathers are absent. Many times it's not by choice. There were and still are intentional systems in place to make it difficult for fathers to get jobs, stay within the prison system, and have access to quality education. I urge people commenting to ask their black friends for their insights. I came from an inner city and graduated from CMU. The two…

I have a friend who switched worlds in adulthood simply because someone convinced him it was possible to do it. When he describes it, it isn't like it was a pep talk, it was more like someone telling you that you can change your own oil in your car and sends you steps. Part of that is that he was ready to hear it, and was quite smart, but if no one had said anything.

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Post by drno123 »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #21
notrekasa wrote: post #15

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I guess if the government stopped putting a higher rate of black fathers in jail (they may show up).

Very insightful. It becomes a vicious cycle when fathers aren’t even able to show up because they’re behind bars.

I am not sure that numbers add up to support this claim. In Oklahoma, which has the highest percentage of black people incarcerated, there is approx 2.5% of the total black population imprisoned, while over 60% of black children are raised without fathers.

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Post by SlowRobotAhead »

JshWright wrote: post #86
Causality1 wrote: post #63

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The percentage of African-American children in single-parent homes went from 20% in 1960 to 65% in 2017. Is institutional white racism worse now than it was sixty years ago?

Yes. You know what else happened in that time? The War on Drugs.

Are you really arguing that racism is worse in 2020 than 1960?

Have you looked at what was going on in the 1960s?

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Post by jacquesm »

maxaf wrote: post #3

Or, you know, fathers. Half of success in fatherhood comes from simply showing up. Absentee fathers contribute to the generational erosion of the family fabric that is almost impossible to undo.

Absentee fathers are more often than not absent because they got jailed in the war-on-drugs or died as collateral damage in that war. You can't show up when you're dead or in jail.
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