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Post by sshagent »

Yizahi wrote: post #110
jedberg wrote: post #7

Every year when I go to re:invent, Amazon's big conference in Las Vegas, I schedule nap time from 3pm to 5pm. When I'm there I meeting with lots of different people, from as early as 7am to as late (early?) as 1am, and sometimes I'm out till 3am or later. That nap is the only thing that makes it bearable. And I get mocked for it and I don't care. But sleep is no joke. I also do all the blue shift/night shift stuff on…

I don't know about others, everyone seems to like naps, but I feel completely wasted after midday sleep.

I've tended to find with experimentation that adjusting your nap duration can stop that wasted effect. I tend to take a 90 minute lunch break, where i nap. It takes me ages to get to sleep, but I'm rarely wasted (even more tired when i wake up ). I suspect i get somewhere between 20 and 60 minutes sleep in total, but 9 times out of 10 I'm refreshed. The other 1/10 its generally my work brain won't stop considering ways to resolve work issues.

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Post by xchaotic »

gameswithgo wrote: post #58
graeme wrote: post #12

Could one team gain a massive advantage by taking the sleep environment seriously and figuring out how to prevent sleep deprivation in players? A sort of hidden opportunity along the lines of the statistical metrics that revolutionized baseball.

That is supposedly one of the keys to the Success of Team Sky in cycling, but cycling also has a long, long history of doping and making up bs reasons for the unlikely rates of success. So I don't know how true that idea is.

Team Sky was all about marginal gains compounding, so Sleep was one but not a key one

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Post by abdullahkhalids »

Yizahi wrote: post #110
jedberg wrote: post #7

Every year when I go to re:invent, Amazon's big conference in Las Vegas, I schedule nap time from 3pm to 5pm. When I'm there I meeting with lots of different people, from as early as 7am to as late (early?) as 1am, and sometimes I'm out till 3am or later. That nap is the only thing that makes it bearable. And I get mocked for it and I don't care. But sleep is no joke. I also do all the blue shift/night shift stuff on…

I don't know about others, everyone seems to like naps, but I feel completely wasted after midday sleep.

Are you sleeping for exactly 1 sleep cycle, which for most people is roughly 1.5 hours, of which only the middle half hour is deep sleep. If you set your alarm for an hour, you will probably be woken in your deep sleep and be "wasted". Similarly, if you extend your nap to 2 hours and fall into the second deep sleep.

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Post by lowercased »

abdullahkhalids wrote: post #113
Yizahi wrote: post #110

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I don't know about others, everyone seems to like naps, but I feel completely wasted after midday sleep.

Are you sleeping for exactly 1 sleep cycle, which for most people is roughly 1.5 hours, of which only the middle half hour is deep sleep. If you set your alarm for an hour, you will probably be woken in your deep sleep and be "wasted". Similarly, if you extend your nap to 2 hours and fall into the second deep sleep.

90 mins? Most of the afternoon naps I do tend to be short - like 15-25 minutes, and that generally refreshes me enough to feel "restarted" for another few hours. I can get through the rest of the day pretty good on that. "Rest of the day" being doing "thinking work" for another few hours - I'm not trying to get another full day or work (or even socializing) after that.

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Post by abdullahkhalids »

lowercased wrote: post #114
abdullahkhalids wrote: post #113

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Are you sleeping for exactly 1 sleep cycle, which for most people is roughly 1.5 hours, of which only the middle half hour is deep sleep. If you set your alarm for an hour, you will probably be woken in your deep sleep and be "wasted". Similarly, if you extend your nap to 2 hours and fall into the second deep sleep.

90 mins? Most of the afternoon naps I do tend to be short - like 15-25 minutes, and that generally refreshes me enough to feel "restarted" for another few hours. I can get through the rest of the day pretty good on that. "Rest of the day" being doing "thinking work" for another few hours - I'm not trying to get another full day or work (or even socializing) after that.

That's the other kind of nap, where you don't actually sleep. That's fine too. The point is that a lot of people will sleep, but set their alarm to wake them up in the middle of their deep sleep and then be surprised that they are so groggy.

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Post by tP5n »

tcj_phx wrote: post #108
mcgrath_sh wrote: post #34

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That is actually relatively low for the NBA. In 87-88, home teams won 67% of games. Baxter Holmes wrote another piece about two years ago about how Tinder, better sleep, and less drinking has eroded the home court advantage in the NBA. It was a great piece. https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/presents18969358/tinde...

I don't particularly care about the NBA, but I followed your link anyways, and came across this gem: > A recent study by WHOOP, a biometric device company with NBA clients, found what researchers called a "four-day hangover" in the post-drinking health metrics of 148 student-athletes. Heart rates were 16 percent higher after a night of drinking, and a measurement of heartbeat interval variation was 23 percent lower.…

You can test this out yourself, if you're into an endurance sport and have a heart rate monitor nearby. Even low to moderate drinking the night before a run has a significant effect on my heart rate at rest (around 5%) and during exercise (up to 10% higher).

Where moderate drinking means a glas of wine, or two, not a bottle (or two).

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Post by kingkawn »

abdullahkhalids wrote: post #113
Yizahi wrote: post #110

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I don't know about others, everyone seems to like naps, but I feel completely wasted after midday sleep.

Are you sleeping for exactly 1 sleep cycle, which for most people is roughly 1.5 hours, of which only the middle half hour is deep sleep. If you set your alarm for an hour, you will probably be woken in your deep sleep and be "wasted". Similarly, if you extend your nap to 2 hours and fall into the second deep sleep.

I’ve never yet been able to find the standard deviation data on the research that established that the average sleep cycle lasts 90 minutes. Presumably there’s as much variation across individuals as everything else about individuals

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Post by bilbo0s »

clairity wrote: post #66
bilbo0s wrote: post #3

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> maybe that's also just coming from my own experience of sleeping extra well in higher end hotel beds than my own bed at home. Not trying to argue with you about your experience or anything, but I think it's possible that certain elite athletes have different needs. Just as a thought exercise, think back to all those high end hotels you've stayed in, and try to remember the comfy beds. Now, would those beds have bee…

i'm pretty sure they've all figured out to sleep on the diagonal (which should give them 8-9ft) by this point in their lives. those overly-soft beds tend to make me overheat more.

Sleeping diagonally is a good idea?

But let's do the math on sleeping diagonally for a man with a 3 to 3.5 foot frame and a 7 foot wingspan. It really is just different parts of his body hanging off the bed.

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Post by Donald »

jedberg wrote: post #96
Donald wrote: post #94

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Where do you get good 1850K LED bulbs?

They're not easy to find! Mostly what I have are wifi LED bulbs with adjustable color. I have a Feit LED bulb where the "yellow" setting is pretty close to 1850K. I also have the GE LED bulb that actually goes to 1850. And then I have a bunch of night lights from Costco where they yellowest yellow is around 1850. Basically anytime I go somewhere that sells bulbs I'll check them out and look for ones that can be adjus…

Thanks. Do you have any specific recommendations on WiFi LED bulbs that you've liked at that color temperature range?

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Post by lowercased »

abdullahkhalids wrote: post #115
lowercased wrote: post #114

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90 mins? Most of the afternoon naps I do tend to be short - like 15-25 minutes, and that generally refreshes me enough to feel "restarted" for another few hours. I can get through the rest of the day pretty good on that. "Rest of the day" being doing "thinking work" for another few hours - I'm not trying to get another full day or work (or even socializing) after that.

That's the other kind of nap, where you don't actually sleep. That's fine too. The point is that a lot of people will sleep, but set their alarm to wake them up in the middle of their deep sleep and then be surprised that they are so groggy.

thanks. I guess it's usually felt like 'quick sleep' but that's my layman's view from the easy chair. :)
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