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Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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Post by Iv »

qmmmur wrote: post #57
cooperadymas wrote: post #39

Is it safe to say we're in the middle of the Software Wars? The headlines have been littered with stories like this lately. From major open source contributors taking down their projects, to Apple, Adobe, and Blizzard. It's only a matter of time until it's a critical piece of software that can cripple a nation or beleaguer it's people. If you're looking for positives, maybe this will finally force people to rethink d…

It's serendipitous all these events are happening now for me personally. I was recently burned by a piece of very useful and well crafted software (closed source). I did a fresh install on my machine and went to find their website which to my dismay had completely disappeared! I followed whatever breadcrumbs were left and found a whole thing had happened while I wasn't paying attention where the copyright for this so…

Proprieatary software are shortcuts, but infrastructure requires open source. That's the only durable software out there.

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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Post by julianwachholz »

Crinus wrote: post #102
byte1918 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The NPM fiasco should no longer be possible If you want to unpublish a package after 72 hours have passed, contact npm Support. For more information about why we don’t allow users to unpublish packages after 72 hours, see our unpublish policy. https://docs.npmjs.com/unpublishing-packages-from-the-regist...

Not sure how npm works in detail, doesn't it pull directly from devs' repositories? In that case can't the devs just publish an update that breaks everything?

This wouldn't be as big of a problem with version pinning.

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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Post by aznumeric »

qmmmur wrote: post #57
cooperadymas wrote: post #39

Is it safe to say we're in the middle of the Software Wars? The headlines have been littered with stories like this lately. From major open source contributors taking down their projects, to Apple, Adobe, and Blizzard. It's only a matter of time until it's a critical piece of software that can cripple a nation or beleaguer it's people. If you're looking for positives, maybe this will finally force people to rethink d…

It's serendipitous all these events are happening now for me personally. I was recently burned by a piece of very useful and well crafted software (closed source). I did a fresh install on my machine and went to find their website which to my dismay had completely disappeared! I followed whatever breadcrumbs were left and found a whole thing had happened while I wasn't paying attention where the copyright for this so…

Same thing happened with Tridef. The company went under, didn't release a free version of the software, and now people who bought it legally have to resort to using a crack.

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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Post by HenryBemis »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #75
diveanon wrote: post #59

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That's the best part, there is no correct choice. Corporations love sitting the moral grey area on issues like this, but putting them in a position of having to choose between looking like Chinese stooges or getting banned from China will break their minds.

I don't think it will, really, because as a Chinese stooge with access to Chinese market, you have ample money to spend on PR & marketing that makes you not look like a Chinese stooge.

USA population is close to 330m. I was reading that NBA has 500m "followers" (I will translate it to consumers). Assuming that only half the US population follows (consumes, pays) for NBA related products, then Chinese market is every NBA official's wet dream. Unless this becomes a binary choice (dictatorship Vs freedom) all the money making sharks (FIFA, NBA, etc) will pretend that they "were not aware of such events taking place in China/do not comment on internal affairs of other sovereign nations" as long as the money rolls in.

I was glad to see earlier on CNN a 'super' writing "NBA Commissioner: we are no apologizing..."

But the first 24h the reactions went from not existing to laughable. Good to see that freedom is more important than revenue.

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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Post by ianleeclark »

hyperdunc wrote: post #92
diveanon wrote: post #76

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Make them choose between the two markets. I'm tired of the idea that the Western and Chinese markets can both be appeased the middle of the road morality. What is happening in HK right now is wrong, and the west has fought wars over this very issue.

It's the authoritarian Chinese government insisting on censorship. Not so much the Chinese market.

Furthermore, the western market is more than happy to comply with the censorship.

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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Post by DagAgren »

diveanon wrote: post #55
kkarakk wrote: post #44

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Considering how Trump bowed down before Turkey about the christian Kurd fighters issue(basically abandoning people who were promised aid in exchange for dismantling their border security), I don't think he's going to care about Hong Kong too much

So then the real question is how do we use Trumps ego and addiction to social media to get him to start caring about HK. His "trade war" already puts him in an adversarial stance towards from the perspective of his base.

I struggle to imagine a situation that would be improved by adding MORE involvement by Trump.

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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Post by TeMPOraL »

Eldt wrote: post #108
TeMPOraL wrote: post #95

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> Anything anti-China gets buried or discredited or shouted down using whataboutisms. Interesting. The only time I see whataboutism and China/Russia brought up in the same HN thread is when somebody tries to defend China/Russia by pointing out similar problems in the West, and that person gets shouted down and accused of engaging in "whataboutism".

Sounds like you're describing the same thing. I've seen many comments defend China and try to turn attention towards actions done by the US.

I initially read kkarakk's comment as a reverse of what I wrote, but even if we're talking the same, I personally believe that any and all accusations of whataboutism are just thought-terminating cliches and are invalid from the start.

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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Post by yoz-y »

celticninja wrote: post #97
byte1918 wrote: post #80

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The NPM fiasco should no longer be possible If you want to unpublish a package after 72 hours have passed, contact npm Support. For more information about why we don’t allow users to unpublish packages after 72 hours, see our unpublish policy. https://docs.npmjs.com/unpublishing-packages-from-the-regist...

Could you just publish garbage instead?

You could but everybody uses version pinning in production, right?

Re: Blizzard Suspends Professional Hearthstone Player for Hong Kong Comments

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Post by jpangs88 »

celticninja wrote: post #97
byte1918 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The NPM fiasco should no longer be possible If you want to unpublish a package after 72 hours have passed, contact npm Support. For more information about why we don’t allow users to unpublish packages after 72 hours, see our unpublish policy. https://docs.npmjs.com/unpublishing-packages-from-the-regist...

Could you just publish garbage instead?

Versioned garbage, but yeah you could. It would just make a new version not work which isn't as harmful as taking away a package.

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Post by parsimo2010 »

Crinus wrote: post #102
byte1918 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The NPM fiasco should no longer be possible If you want to unpublish a package after 72 hours have passed, contact npm Support. For more information about why we don’t allow users to unpublish packages after 72 hours, see our unpublish policy. https://docs.npmjs.com/unpublishing-packages-from-the-regist...

Not sure how npm works in detail, doesn't it pull directly from devs' repositories? In that case can't the devs just publish an update that breaks everything?

npm allows for installation of specific versions. So even if a dev publishes a new version that breaks you can select a previous version known to work. A good dev shouldn’t be updating willy-nilly to the latest version just because it’s the latest. They ought to spec a particular version and update after testing.
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