Americans Have Shifted Dramatically on What Values Matter Most

Post by mrkstu » Wed, Aug 28, 2019, 11:04 PM UTC

redblacktree wrote: post #103

mrkstu wrote: post #52

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The problem is that the President cultivates groups that are nativist. Any good that some of his policies may do will not earn him any credibility if he wipes it away by minimizing the problematic nature of those that seek to use his voice as an amplification for their narratives. Unfortunately Trump seem incapable of cutting loose anyone who is willing to praise him unrestrainedly. So he ends up endorsing groups dir…

> voted 3rd party So you're planning to have no effect on the outcome of the election?

I'm having the effect of not proactively promoting policies/behaviors that don't represent my PoV. Why reward behavior that I find reprehensible?

Also, if we keep allowing that false dichotomy to dictate our votes we will be eternally trapped in 2-party hell. There is a possible outcome where other parties become viable, but first we must kill with fire the idea that we must always vote in a binary fashion.

Post by rubicon33 » Thu, Sep 05, 2019, 9:20 PM UTC

gremlinsinc wrote: post #90

rubicon33 wrote: post #6

I can tell you why "patriotism, religion and having children" have never been values for me (32 yr old)... Specifically, two are very closely related: Religion - I don't buy it. I never have, even from a young age. The idea of a mystical all powerful being floating in the sky watching us has always seemed absurd. And frankly, science has really done a number on my ability to believe in traditional religions. Do I bel…

Maybe learn about stoicism. I have two children, and watching them experience life for the first time is the most fulfilling thing I've ever seen. I was 38 when my youngest was born, I'll be 40 in November. Stoicism teaches that we all will die, and true death is when we're forgotten, but more than that we need to only worry about the things we can change, or the things we have 'some' control over, but stop worrying…

I appreciate your response and I can certainly understand and respect the gravity and life changing nature of having children.

That said, despite many a biological (and even cognitive) drives toward procreating, I continue to refuse to do it. Until I can look around and see a world that I agree with, one where bad things don't happen to good people, where children don't get leukemia, where random car accidents don't leave you crippled for life, then and maybe only then would I even consider it.

Take my unwillingness to procreate as a big middle finger to life itself; As big of a fuck you (short of killing myself - which i have no interest in) as I can possibly give. Feedback to the creator if you will... that I just don't like what they've done. Yea life is beautiful in many way, but on a whole it desperately needs a revision.

I may adopt one day. It's the least I could do with this mindset. Help an innocent child that neither asked, nor possibly even wants, to be alive. If I could improve their life then that's worth something. That'd be a hell of a lot more "life changing" than pumping out a mini me.

Re: Americans Have Shifted Dramatically on What Values Matter Most

Re: Americans Have Shifted Dramatically on What Values Matter Most