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Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

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Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

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Post by dk- »

finnthehuman wrote: post #81
h3ckr wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The government cannot afford paying someone who actually understands computers. That someone would already be in Silicon Valley, not wanting to work for the government. Funny how things work

You've spent too long in the bubble. People outside of norcal can understand computers too. Many of them even work for the federal government outside of policy roles. Not everyone is looking to uproot their lives, move to a crowded, overpriced city and sell their soul to adtech, all for a few more dollars, ya know?

I worked govt 10 years ago and this was 100% true then. Recently I made a (foolish) attempt to return to govt contracting and was shocked, SHOCKED, when they discussed Docker as a requirement and Kubernetes supported deployments as a nice-to-have.

Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

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Post by katzgrau »

lwansbrough wrote: post #28

I hold the people developing this personally accountable for its negative impact on the web. Each developer’s role is just small enough so they feel powerless or don’t recognize the larger impact of their work. If you were paid to work on this, you are either wilfully ignorant or morally corrupt. Sure, this is only a small loss for the open web. But Google is a factory for small losses for the open web. I hope the pa…

> If you were paid to work on this, you are either wilfully ignorant or morally corrupt.

I'm not a fan of AMP, but this is way over the top.

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Post by dfabulich »

MrStonedOne wrote: post #54
memo_ree wrote: post #39

Seriously, I just don't get these hateful comments on Hacker News regarding AMP. It helps websites load fast on mobile, and users really appreciate when websites load fast.

As a mobile user, I fucking hate it. I hate that every fucking google search result on mobile web has its stupid little icon I hate that there is no way for me to disable it as a user I hate that it has muddied the waters in what the url bar means I hate that it has trained users to not question fake url bars. I hate that cloudflare so thoroughly jumped on its dick I hate that we invented a way to fake the address in…

> AMP is not fast because it's served from google's CDN. That's a lie, It has always been a lie, and it will always be a lie. AMP is fast because it's incompatible with 99% of the bullshit client cpu heavy tracking and ad libraries, so they don't get included inside AMP pages.

AMP is fast because of prefetching. That's not a "lie." You can measure this. When you click an AMP link, the page is already downloaded. Prefetched pages load faster than https://motherfuckingwebsite.com/

But prefetching has a problem: when you visit a website, they can fingerprint you and track you. Prefetching from random websites in search results violates your privacy.

The only way to fix the privacy issues with prefetching is for the search engine (not just Google--Bing, too) to serve the prefetched page from their own CDN.

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Post by rebuilder »

clairity wrote: post #74
blackbrokkoli wrote: post #48

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Sure, you're not wrong. "This webpage works best in Our Browser™️" was just a pointer to the user for a faster experience. It came at the small cost of crippling the web for a mere 15 years, probably costing a few billion hours user time wasted at horrible UX bred in a hostile corporate controlled environment. AMP is just the same all over again, just with a singular player which might just be too big to fail. Oh, an…

> "...just with a singular player which might just be too big to fail" while i agree with the overall sentiment that google is pulling a microsoft, i don't see how this line is true. if google went away tomorrow, how would it lead to an economic downturn? it would suck if you're all in on google in some way, but most of their products have competitors and substitutes, so you could switch. maybe android losing some co…

Gmail and Drive going away tomorrow would cause a lot of trouble

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Post by rhizome »

lwansbrough wrote: post #76
rhizome wrote: post #72

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> It helps websites be absorbed by Google so that Google can retain the user on their site Does it also keep every cookie on a page 1st party to Google, so they don't have (m)any more GDPR-type blockers?

Are you trying to point this out as being a good thing? I don’t know the answer because I don’t click AMP links, but I don’t have a problem with GDPR nonsense anyway because I’m not in Europe.

>Are you trying to point this out as being a good thing?

No, I'm not. What gives you that impression?

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Post by aasasd »

memo_ree wrote: post #68
MrStonedOne wrote: post #54

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As a mobile user, I fucking hate it. I hate that every fucking google search result on mobile web has its stupid little icon I hate that there is no way for me to disable it as a user I hate that it has muddied the waters in what the url bar means I hate that it has trained users to not question fake url bars. I hate that cloudflare so thoroughly jumped on its dick I hate that we invented a way to fake the address in…

> I hate that there is no way for me to disable it as a user Yeah, seems like you should be able to. Just curious, where would you want that option to appear, and how would you want to see the search experience change as a result?

Even regardless of me being pro-AMP or anti-AMP, I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here.

- Google has settings for search and a page for these settings. For example, I have sometime in the past went to that page and set my preferences there. And now they're taken into account when I use Google's search. Like settings are wont to do, y'know.

- We already know how search without AMP works.

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Post by 333c »

stephenr wrote: post #40

More AMP bullshit. But, as a pretty staunch anti-Google company, why does DDG send me to AMP links? Give me the ducking (autocorrect pun!) canonical URL!

> why does DDG send me to AMP links?

As a DDG user, I've never noticed this. Can you link an example?

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Post by nicolaslem »

MrP wrote: post #95
MrStonedOne wrote: post #54

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As a mobile user, I fucking hate it. I hate that every fucking google search result on mobile web has its stupid little icon I hate that there is no way for me to disable it as a user I hate that it has muddied the waters in what the url bar means I hate that it has trained users to not question fake url bars. I hate that cloudflare so thoroughly jumped on its dick I hate that we invented a way to fake the address in…

I use duckduckgo on Firefox and I don't see any AMP pages. Give them a go.

I use Google on Firefox and I never saw an AMP page. Each time I see a topic on HN about AMP I feel like I live in a nice parallel universe.
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